Trump invites moderate Dems for meeting... - two decline.

The question is how do you stop Presidents from taking the same hostage over and over until they get their bargain if you reward that very behavior? Its not just about this deal, or this issue. Its about the tactic. Release the hostages, then we talk.

 

Your sounding like you think this is some sort of game and the house is the law. Hate to tell you it doesn't work that way and if your side doesn't negotiate anything it will be seen for what it is. I'll bet on Trump you've got Pelosi, we'll see who wins because common freaking sense already tells us a wall works.

 

Didn't follow this thread today, but I'm understanding ZERO Democrats attended the Trump luncheon to discuss the shutdown.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/15/politics/white-house-meeting-shutdown-democrats-congress/index.html

My guess is they declined partly because they guessed what he might serve for lunch.....

The other reason is that it would be a waste of their collective time...

Bye Bye

 

How is it any different, the other way around?(IE: The President wants to pass a spending bill, but Congress doesn't want to send said bill to the President.). I'd argue that this is how our government was supposed to work, with respect to conflicting differences.

It's up to the two sides now to hammer out an agreement. But that requires mutual self-respect for each other. I think this is how far I'm willing to go: I can't in good conscious, give a full DACA but how about a gradual allowance of 'dreamers'? Sort them out by criminal record and by financial contributions. I've had it akin to a red, yellow, green light. Greens are a-go, Yellows for a 1-3 year evaluation period and the Reds can get the F out.

And even if not a wall, let's agree to the "most aggressive and practical steps" to securing the border. Including drones, increased boots on the ground and prosecuting employers hiring illegals.

 

The difference is the isolation of the problem to a single budget, so that the rest of the government continues to function while we negotiate in good faith about immigration. Dems tried this very briefly over DACA and were summarily and justifiably spanked.

Release the hostage, then we have some things to discuss. Until the president does, there is no good faith, and way to establish respect between the parties and thus no point. You cannot seriously expect us to reward this tactic with something other than contempt.

 

An increasing number support more walls/fences/barriers and it is the Democrats refusing to come to a resolution.

 

Or Pelosi and Schumers joint one. Which side is refusing to work with the other to resolve the issue of this $3B difference, .09% of the budget the border experts say they need?

 

Border security is part of a clean bill, the Democrats are refusing to negotiate.

 

It was about finding Democrats willing to reopen government, apparently there are none. The next step is theirs, present an honest counter proposal, meet Trump halfway.

 

Nope. There are several clean bills offered to the Senate to fund a variety of agencies while the immigration budget gets negociated. The Senate helped negotiate and passed the enabling legislative deal without a dissenting vote. The president has taken the government hostage. We do not negotiate with terrorist presidents.

 

How does funding necessary enhancements to our border security make a budget "dirty" and not "clean". That's nonsense. If the Democrats want to force Trump to give that up what are they willing to give up? What is their offer in these negotiations? If the Democrats passed funds for more fencing and barriers before were they voting for "dirty" bill? They vote for MORE money before, why are they refusing to even discuss this measly amount?

 

He should increase it a $Billion per week. It would be $9Billion today.

 

The Dems don't care about the people.

 

Wall cost $40 - $60 Billion. 5.7 Billion is just a start

 

And the title about two decline to go, ended up they ALL declined. Not one Democrat went to the meeting to try and resolve this.

 

They aren't going to spend that much on just walls, that's long gone. We DO need more walls/barriers/fences in strategic places and the $5B won't cover it all but is a good start and then we can go from there. The Democrats are just choosing to be intransigent for purely ideological and political reasons. They do not care about our border security or reopening government. They believe they are scoring political points but that is growing questionable.

 

Pelosi wasn't invited to meeting. Trump knows he's outmatched so he tried to go around her. Dems stood together .

Public opinion is against the ineffective wall.

 

The Dems love illegal aliens more than they love the American citizens they are supposed to represent.

 

So,

1) Mexico hasn’t made any payments(direct or indirect)

2) Dirty Donnie doesn’t have the votes, so he’s trying to blackmail the Democrats.

3) Legislation has passed the House but 1 Republican is preventing any vote in the Senate.


Let the shutdown continue until the Republicans surrender. They hate the 800,000 federal workers plus anybody else who doesn’t give them what they want. Remembering that they are in the minority by at least 2 million voters nationwide, this should work out well next election cycle.

The DNC thanks you for the votes.

 

The numbers have not increased one bit over the last month and it is STILL opposed by a significant majority.

This is Trump's shutdown.

 

Pelosi and Schumer have offered 1.6 billion for border security, the amount that trump's budget requested. They have not offered a dime for trump's wall and they have no reason to do so.

Trump could not get Mexico to pay for the wall and he is now demanding that US taxpayers pay twice as much.

 

They have no reason to negotiate with a hostage taker in trump.

And the meeting was about trying to circumvent and undercut Pelosi. It failed because Democrats are united and a majority of voters support them.

 

....I am guessing that you have zero ****ing idea how to negotiate or understanding of leverage.

 

You are quoting the only true statement he has offered in two years. Trump should be proud of himself for evolving. His party sure as hell isn't pride of his timing though. this is one occasion where I like the man's unpredictability. The campaign commercials are already scripted and cast.

 

With Nancy attending, things don't turn out so well for him.