“You are all unbelievers, I’ll kill you” – Two Islamist knife attacks in France

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  1. yasureoktoo

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    correct
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    even today many Christian sects disagree with one another

    "Many consider Catholics to be Satanic."

    case in point....

    I think many trump supporters now do not like the Catholic church as the Pope doesn't support Trump... but most people do not see them as Satanic, they see them as Christians
     
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    It's more protestants that is the exception. Every orthodox church recognize traditions as part of christianity. In a way, catholic church is just a specific orthodox church.
    Catholicism is just one of the traditionnal christianity, like orthodox christian, when the rest are modern christian.
     
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    They all have something in their personal views that differs.
    From minor changes to major ones.
    IE, the snake handlers claim Christianity.
    The church of God of prophecy, is a variation of Pentacostal.
    Mormons.
    Even the Aryan Aations, and KKK claim Christianity
    Kony, of the Lords Resistance Army, claims they are Christian,
    Even though no Christian church will back them.
    The examples are endless.
     
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    Not So.

    Catholicism, invented what you claim is orthodox.
    The protestant movement broke away from the churches inventions.
    The Christianity before Catholics was completely different.
    Catholics were just tougher, and went on to rule.
     
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    I'm not neutral on the topic, a lot of family members are burried in the catholic rites. I like the ambiance of old small church full of statues of old saints and the virgin Mary, some of my family members were priests or monks. But for me it's history, not something that belong to the present, like knowing that before that my ancestors prayed to celtic and roman gods. I went to a lot of catholic burrying mess but no marrying one. I like the songs of Saint Hildegard von Bingen, the ave maria of schubert and some catholic people went in help to my family in the darkest times.
    So yes, I don't like when people mistalk of catholics even if I don't like a lot the catholic authorities. The 19th century was the century of the failure of the catholic church, they were not able to prevent catholic to kill each other, they were not able to prevent the developpement of the satanic south american cartels. Rarely a religious organization failed at this point. But I don't trust the protestants and their pastors, the god will for protestants is what their honeyed words pastors manage to persuade to believe for their believers. Many pastors are dangerous people.
    The catholic heritage is still a precious heritage, precious heritage which is threatened because more and more church are found devasted by vandals, so they have to close them. Those vandals are more likely muslims, far left or just people which steal church goods.
    They are lucky we're not in the middle age anymore, because during those times, church plunderers were not forgiven but skinned alive.
     
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    Please, I'm not raggin on your church.
    Times have changed a lot, since the first violations.
     
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    It's not my church, the one of my ancestors. Where I live, catholicism is definitevly dead. They have to import priests from the subsaharian africa because they don't manage anymore to find locals one. It's quite funny to see a black priest with a heavy african accent in deep norman countryside, where the last time they saw black people, they had american uniforms.
     
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    The better thing to do is for you to do your homework to learn how Muslims in Spain preserved the West's values during the Dark Ages. Much of Europe's advancements in science, architecture, and medicine are attributable to Islamic scholarship and research during those dreary days.


    ''This is why nearly all of Islam is backward, violent, sexist,
    racist, homophobic and filthy''

    If you are knowledgeable in the subject and honest, you would know and openly state that Christianity is infinitely worse.
     
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    How is it in relation with the topic ? And it's fake news because it negate the role of Constantinople (orthodox christian) and monasteries. Muslims during early european middle age had their role and most scholars of the early to middle middle age were fluent in both arabic, latin and greek. But why should we care ? We're speaking of a terrorist attack today, cultural enrichment in action, not of the muslim 700 years ago.
     
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    LOLOL

    Christianity is the better of all three fairy tales.
    For people who need a sky daddy, there is no question, Christianity is the the best of the three.
    There is no violence, there is no killing.
    Jesus teaches to get away from the old BS, and start a new view.

    The main character of Islam was a murderer, thief, torturer, sexual pervert, rapist, slave trader, and a bunch of other adjectives.

    Jesus was none of these.
     
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    you have to remember, the Abahamic God is a Jealous and vengeful God with a fragile ego....

    remember when God told the father to kill his son... sometimes God tells people to stone or kill other people, but he is just joking.... don't actually do it
     
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    Yes, Catholics are Christian. BUT, Inquisitions and the killing of heretics was Catholicism, it was not Christianity.
     
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    As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of Morals and his Religion, as he left them to us, the best the World ever saw or is likely to see;...... Benjamin Franklin

    The practice of morality being necessary for the well being of society, He [God] has taken care to impress its precepts so indelibly on our hearts that they shall not be effaced by the subtleties of our brain. We all agree in the obligation of the moral principles of Jesus and nowhere will they be found delivered in greater purity than in His discourses. Thomas Jefferson

    You do well to wish to learn our arts and ways of life, and above all, the religion of Jesus Christ. These will make you a greater and happier people than you are. George Washington
     
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    Even to a non-believer, Jesus was a pretty damn good person,
    An excellent role model for all.
     
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    So say the Jews


    Oh, we have lots of people in jail for life, for doing what they say, God told them to do.


    Seems if it is really some God, he will tell them to stop before it happens.
     
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    Which will be an issue to us here on earth if God were to begin again with Old Testament type fire and brimstone action here on earth. Irrelevant until that time. In contrast to Islam that instructs the believers to "fight", "kill", "slay" and "smite the necks" of the unbelievers "until... religion should only be for Allah" which leads to the worldwide Islamic campaign of terrorism, TODAY, here on earth.
     
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    And much of the Jewish Old Testament, isn't followed by the jews themselves anymore
     
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    Yes. We can see it like that.
     
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    is it hard to believe a God that would tell a father to kill his own son, or to kill a man picking up sticks on the weekend, might also tell the Muslims bible too - maybe God has a sick sense of humor and we are just for his amusement - reason we have not ever seen him around is he got bored of his toys
     
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    It's not real, it shows the mindset of the people back then.

    What is scary is people who think it is real.
     
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    this is the key to making the Abrahamic religions better, ignore any evil you think God might tell you to do.... think of it as a joke from God like he did with Abraham
     
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    we know that, but many still believe, people are not ready to stop believing yet... wont happen in our lifetimes, change like that takes time, lots of time
     
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    I'm an atheist, in my mind he doesn't exist. You must be a member of one of the Abrahamic faiths if this causes you concern.
     
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    Or if you are a Christian, read the entire bible, not just the old testament.

    Ephesians 2
    15 by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations.

    Hebrews 8
    13 By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

    Romans 10
    4Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.(*)

    Romans 7
    6But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

    2 Corinthians 3
    13We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to keep the Israelites from gazing at it while the radiance was fading away. 14But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away.

    Galatians 3 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

    23Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ[h] that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law
     

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