D-Day

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  1. struth

    struth Well-Known Member

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    You obviously didn't watch, he wasn't reading nor did he stay still.

    You should stop getting your "news' from reviews and start going to orginal souces, like watching the speech, or reading teh Mueller Report...I find a lot of the left depends on others to tell them what to think, it's quite dangerous, it's how Hitler was able to gain so much power. Just a little something to thik about on D-Day
     
  2. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We know what fascism is, and we recognize it in the movement that you and your fellow "progressives" salute and promote.

    From Mussolini's "The Doctrine of Fascism":

    "Anti-individualistic, the Fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State...The Fascist conception of the State is all embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism, is totalitarian, and the Fascist State - a synthesis and a unit inclusive of all values - interprets, develops, and potentates the whole life of a people."

    I could replace the term fascist with "progressive" and the statement would remain true:

    "Anti-individualistic, the "progressive" conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State...The "progressive" conception of the State is all embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, "progressivism", is totalitarian, and the "progressive" State - a synthesis and a unit inclusive of all values - interprets, develops, and potentates the whole life of a people."

    And as Mussolini pointed out:

    "...in the great river of Fascism one can trace currents which had their source in Sorel, Peguy, Lagardelle of the Movement Socialists..."

    Just as in the great river of "progressivism" one can trace currents that have their source in socialism.

    It's striking how similar "progressives" and fascists are. Two peas in the authoritarian pod...
     
  3. Egoboy

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    I've totally read Vol 2 of the Mueller report, but there's no way I'm going to watch Trumpie the Clown attempt to speak for my country...

    Acosta and Morning Joe said he didn't suck, so that's good enough for me... Yay... We're not at war with France this afternoon....
     
  4. Nemesis

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    So, if I call myself a salmon, but do nothing that a salmon does and in fact am a human being, I'm still a salmon under your les than convincing argument.

    https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists

    "Were the Nazis socialists? No, not in any meaningful way, and certainly not after 1934. But to address this canard fully, one must begin with the birth of the party."

    https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/

    Given that Nazism is traditionally held to be an extreme right-wing ideology, the party’s conspicuous use of the term “socialist” — which refers to a political system normally plotted on the far-left end of the ideological spectrum — has long been a source of confusion, not to mention heated debate among partisans seeking to distance themselves from the genocidal taint of Nazi Germany.

    The debate has heated up to the point of critical mass in recent years, thanks to the rise of nationalist political movements reacting in part to stagnant economic conditions and the perceived threat of globalism, and also in part to a flood of immigrants and foreign refugees pouring into Europe and the United States because of war and economic crises abroad.

    A subset of these groups, identified as ethno-nationalists, hold racially-tinged views ranging from nativism (the belief that the interests of native-born people must be defended against encroachment by immigrants) to full-on, hate-mongering white supremacy. Some of the latter openly align themselves with historical Nazism, to the point of waving swastikas, spouting anti-Semitic rhetoric, and imitating the tactics of Adolf Hitler.

    Add to this mix the ascendancy of President Donald Trump, who won the 2016 election in part by courting a nativist, anti-immigrant constituency, and whose reticent condemnation of white nationalist protesters who held a rally in Charlottesville, Virginia that erupted in fatal violence in August 2017 drew howls of criticism from all but his most loyal supporters, and the urgency of sorting out these political associations begins to make sense.

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    However, the assumption that because the word “socialist” appeared in the party’s name and socialist words and ideas popped up in the writings and speeches of top Nazis then the Nazis must have been actual socialists is naive and ahistorical. What the evidence shows, on the contrary, is that Nazi Party leaders paid mere lip service to socialist ideals on the way to achieving their one true goal: raw, totalitarian power
     
  5. Nemesis

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    He sounded like he was on valium.
     
  6. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I caught the latter part of it. The French deserve our thanks for keeping the cemetery at Colleville-sur-Mer so beautiful. It was strange looking at the scenery and thinking about what happened there 75 years ago.

    In case you missed it, VP Mike Pence was the keynote speaker at the ceremony at the National D-Day Memorial which is located in Bedford, Virginia - it's spectacular monument in one of the most beautiful parts of our fair commonwealth:

    https://www.dday.org/



    'You delivered a world into freedom': At National D-Day Memorial in Virginia, Pence honors veterans' D-Day sacrifice
    https://www.omaha.com/news/trending...cle_0ffe4cdb-9f8a-544e-96eb-95c6fc6b81fe.html
     
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    I missed Pence (too, thank goodness), but I've been to the Bedford D-Day Memorial and it's a fantastic layout... the Invasion pool is something special... not a ton of shade, so don't recommend on a boiling hot day...

    I took my kid back when he was like 7 or something... there was a guide there at the Allied Flag display, giving a little talk to us and about 7 other people.... He started pointing to the different flags and my son knew every single one of them (??). The guide was blown away.

    The others knew maybe half and I missed a couple....

    I was very proud of him that day..... actually as I am every day...

    Go visit if you are in Central VA....
     
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    One of my grandmother grew in Normandy during the D-Day. A large part of my family lived in those places and lived the D-Day from the other side, but they never spoke of any war either WW1 or WW2. It's really extremly rare they mention those events, they often speak of it if directly ask.
    I suppose they avoid to think to those moments too.

    Once, a newspaper collected some stories, one was one of a man who got his housed bombed, he started to walk in the village half-crazy, with a tureen in his hands, in the tureen was the head of his daughter, beheaded by the explosion, he hended to die a few days after.

    I get why most of them try to avoid to think to those moments.
     
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    Actually, that's your less than convincing misrepresentation of my argument.

    The problem with this inane statement is that is based on the erroneous premise that there is only one form of socialism when there are many variants, including German national socialism.

    Historian George Watson noted this in his book The Lost Literature of Socialism, from which the following excerpt was published, but the entire article is worth reading:

     
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    "Socialismtoday" is a blog.

    I prefer to cite to actual historians who know what they're talking about. Hitler was no more a "socialist" than Ted "The Most Punchable Face On Earth" Cruz is.

    Oh, I know "bbbbbbbut it says "socialist" right in the name!!"--Knowledgeable people look at conduct, not one word in a name.
     
  11. Talon

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    Awesome. I was in the Bedford area a long time ago when my wife and I spent a weekend up in the Peaks of Otter, but the Memorial hadn't been built yet. I definitely plan on getting up there one day when it's a little less crowded than it was today.

    I wonder if I could have name all the allied flags - that's mighty impressive that your son could do so at such a young age. :beer:
     
  12. Stonewall Jackson

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    D-Day.......that special one day a year when even liberals and feminists celebrate White male toxic masculinity.......LOL
     
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  13. struth

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    Some people need that to sound calm, others don't....guess I know where you land.
     
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    Wow, Pence did a great job. I've been to Bedford....wonderful monument! Great part of our Commonwealth...I'm a Virginian as well.

    The French certainly do a great job, I learned today from the President that apparently French citizen adopted a grave, and care for it's up keep. Pretty neat
     
  15. Talon

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    Never mind the content is from a book written by an actual historian who knows what he's talking about. Never mind that other historians and nobel laureates who know what they're talking about aren't buying what "progressives" are selling, either.

    Never mind that people have looked past the name and discovered that it was no accident or coincidence as their kissing cousins on the Left would have us believe.

    Never mind that there's more than one form of socialism.

    What's funny about your denial is that some socialists deny that the socialists in the Soviet Union were socialists because they didn't implement and/or practice their version of a "pure socialist ideal" that exists only in their imagination. As I recall, Mao sneered at the Commies in the old CCCP as "revisionist" apostates from the True Faith. :omfg:

    "They're not socialists!"

    And, of course, that nonsense leads to the prattle we've been hearing from "progressives" since the collapse of the USSR and its failed satellite states that socialism can work - despite all the evidence to the contrary - because "true socialism" has never been implemented or the socialist dolts who implemented it weren't really socialists, etc., etc., ad infinitum.
     
  16. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Cool. What region do you live in? I live in south central VA (southwest of Richmond and Petersburg).

    I caught that part.

    I've heard nothing but good things about the folks in Normandy...
     
  17. Fred C Dobbs

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    Seems not, and that's not unusual among leftists today. They have no idea what those brave people did during WWII, all the Allies, and will actually compare elected leaders of today with Adolf Hitler. These people are not just ignorant, they are dangerously ignorant, and that's become all too commonplace.
     
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    Agreed. Many Leftists over there also think The Simpsons is a documentary.
     
  19. struth

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    Well Acosta and Morning Joe are totally objective sources....wow....that explains a lot of your post
     
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    FYI:

    D-Day = Debarkation Day

    It should be the Normandy D-Day landings since there were over fifty D-Days during WW ll.

    Guadalcanal, Tarawa, Iwo jima, Okinawa, Sicily, North Africa, Saipan and fifty more all had a "D-Day."

    There were 48 or 52 "D-Days" during the Vietnam War.
    U.S. Marines conducted more than a few dozens of amphibious assault from 1965 to 1969.
     
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    Never forget.
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    Yeah. He's a "stable genius".

    Did he fall asleep before the crowd did?
     
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    Just curious.......did any of the 20 something Dem Presidential candidates give a speech about or even mention D-Day today? Serious question as I saw nothing. I know four of them were in Atlanta today pandering to some black identity political group.......
     
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    I'm shocked he even rolled out of bed to give his speech. After all, he was the ONLY world leader to not be at the 100 year anniversary of Armistice Day.
     
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    Who is that in the red tie Wally? ROFLMAO


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    Dozens of world leaders gathered on Sunday at the Arc de Triomphe in Paris to mark the 100-year anniversary of the armistice that ended World War I.

    The historic moment was commemorated in a somber and rain-soaked ceremony led by French President Emmanuel Macron at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.

    U.S. President Donald Trump, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Russian President Vladimir Putin and UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres were among the dignitaries present.

    World leaders walking in the rain to the Arc de Triomphe, marking 100 years since the end of World War I. Macron, Merkel, Trudeau — but no Trump or Putin. Both arrived late, possibly due to security worries after a Femen protester charged Trump’s motorcade. pic.twitter.com/U1eTpXvIGX

    — Katy Lee (@kjalee) November 11, 2018
    .@realDonaldTrump‘s arrived at the Arc de Triomphe in Paris to mark #ArmisticeDay100.

    The US president and his wife arrived separately to the other world leaders for security reasons.

    Follow #RemembranceSunday2018 ceremonies here: https://t.co/WxhBhbVyTEpic.twitter.com/VVOGiV8l0e

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/armistice-day-world-war-i-paris_n_5be7f8b7e4b0769d24ce284b
     

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