Hamas fires rockets at Israel

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  1. free man

    free man Well-Known Member

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    Here is the quote from the charter:
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Pallywood playbook puts women and children in harms way so they have images they can use to gain global sympathy. There is no shortage of cameramen hungry for footage to be used against Israel, but no footage of teens being shot for peacefully protesting. Hmmm.
     
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    Yea, the IDF just cannot help themselves kill women and children when they see those easy targets.
     
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    Hardly more and more countries opening embassies in the ethnically stolen Jerusalem. I heard even Bolsonaro is too afraid to do that. Nope. Some Christians have been brainwashed who do not have any idea what they are doing and the Western Press may publish that American deals with Middle East Dictators means that the arabs do not notice Israel murdering the people of Gaza for legally allowed protesting, that is men, women, children, medics, the Press and the disabled. This is just a little dream you have.

    The people of Gaza as has been recognised by Jews who were there were just going about their every day lives over the fence in and past the area that Israel snipers shoot them down for fun (and there are videos of that) That was what they did when Israelis came into their homes and their fields and rounded them up and ethnically cleansed them from their homeland. A homeland they still have a legal right to which is why they are protesting and why Israel is killing them and maiming them for life. Here is a list of some of the massacres the Zionists did to the Palestinians in the 30's and 40's.

    https://www.memopublishers.com/images/uploads/documents/ZionistMassacres_1937-48.pdf

    The Zionists never changed and the Arabs never stopped caring.


    https://consortiumnews.com/2019/09/11/the-angry-arab-hyping-the-arab-iran-conflict/

    I am not sure which position you come from Christian or Jewish Zionism but regardless it is Iran that Zionists are using to deflect from what they are doing in Palestine. You are missing that although the US has been encouraging the ME to go against Iran since the 1980's encouraging sectarian strife, wars, death toll in the millions as are the refugees, mass terrorism and destroyed states all for little Israel, American's client states are becoming at odds with each other. see link I left.

    Netanyhu has declared that he is going to annex much of the West Bank if he wins the election, due to Trump and possibly more Bolton. He declares he has waited 50 years for this and may need to wait another 50 if he does not take it this time - so much for any belief ever in a two state solution. It will be interesting to see how the ME reacts but the people of the ME notice the horrendous treatment of the people of Palestine by both Israel and the US and one day Karma will come calling. If you are a Christian Zionist I would imagine that will be just the icing on the cake. ;)
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He is right. No one cares about the Palestinians. Their value is their willingness to be used as pawns against Israel. There are no discussions about improving their lives. Not even from you.
     
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    Alexa,

    Nobody is going to improve Palestinian lot. Nobody but Palestinians themselves, and not through stabbing, Molotov cocktail throwing or rocket flying. Palestinians are forgotten cause. Sorry.

    If they do not negotiate with Israelis and accept whatever package Israel be in the mood to offer them, nobody else will lift a finger for them. Again, sorry.
     
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    See that I care that history is not to their liking. I can not change the facts.

    I can source form an Israeli source that only 5% of the Arabs left because of that, putting the predominantly claim on that the Arabs left because the Jews ethnically cleansed them. And since that Israeli source is biased, means that it's probably much worse.

    While the point is, that people may always leave their house anyways,... to than come back. I do that every day. Jews have banned Arabs from returning home in order to thieve their real estate. The Jew state made it legal to be that racist towards Arabs.

    That a fact! Just like the fact that Jews bulldozered entire cities flat, and renamed whatever was Arab. That is ethnic cleansing in the full. And the Israeli Jews of today are still responsible for refusing to return what they stole, while demanding the Germans give back what they stole.
     
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    How’s that Great March of Return working for Palestinians? Do they still holding on to these keys to the houses they lived in 70 years ago? They are not getting into them, no siree.

    The world is tired of Palestinians.
     
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    Israel does not see this "right of return" as a "right"
    Israel sees this as part of the final political process
    - a process which ensures the
    recognition of Israel and a guarantee of her own safety. As long as Palestine does
    not give this guarantee there will be no return of "refugees."
    "Right of return" was offered as part of the Olso accords but like everything else,
    it was rejected by the Palestinians.

    Egypt was offered land for peace and accepted the deal. It got back all the Israelis
    took during the 1973 war.
    Syria was offered land for peace and refused. So today Israel occupies the Golan,
    the major staging point for earlier Syrian attacks upon Israel.
    Gaza was offered its own airport, seaport, railline, industrial parks, economic
    support, a highway connecting them to the West Bank and extra land in the Negev.
    Gaza rejected this offer.

    See where the problem lies?

    This is the Palestinian mentality as seen by an Israeli:
    "I refused to stay a single day under Israeli occupation so I fled to Jordan. My 200
    grandchildren now demand our house back. We teach them to kill you. We believe
    all those Jewish refugees from Arab countries will never go back to their homes,
    that's not even an issue - ask any Western journalist."
     
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    Indeed, a very good post. Thank you to reminder us all how things are.
     
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    all citizens have the legal right to leave their country and return, as they see fit.

    so says the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which was ratified by the UNGA in 1948.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights
     
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    Israel should not even exist.
     
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    Well, actually, does Gaza really exist? Wasn't that always a part of Egypt?
    And does the West Bank exist? Wasn't that just Jordan? So called Palestinians
    didn't complain about Jordan ruling over them.
    And wasn't all this area just Turkish territory until WWI ?

    But actually, Israel has existed since the Bronze Age. Arabs came much later.
     
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    No it did not, and it never has outside of religion.
     
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    Your reply is ambiguous - but I presume you are speaking about the existence of Israel?
    Israel as a nation has existed since late Bronze Age - according to the bible and archaeology.
    The Jew as in ethnicity is much older. DNA demonstrates there is a genetic Jew, and at least
    one of the twelve tribes can be identified - the tribe of Levi which goes back to the brother of
    Moses - Aaron.
     
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    Like I said outside of some lies written in a book of fantacy, Israel never existed. It should not exist now, and American should sure as hell not support it in any way.
     
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    Do you think the archaeologists and historians are lying?
    Who do YOU think occupied Palestine 3,000 years ago?
     
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    Jews, like all other nations in the world, like English, like French has the right for their own country.
    Many Jews had live in Israel since 3000 years ago. They were ruled by others, suffered a lot, but still lived there.
    In fact, if you look at the census of 1900 the Turks did, you will find that there were more Jews living in Jerusalem than Muslims or Christians.
     
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    Well, I guess the world is different than what you imagine in your head.
    Which is wrong? I leave to the psychiatrists.
     
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    Jews may have existed in the middle east, but that in no way proves the existance of a nation, just as they existed in Europe for thousands of years without a country.
     
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    Having a right to your own country is not the same as stealing a country from someone else. Had he Jews purchased the land, or come by it in some lawful way I would have no objections, but they stole the land, and therefore are not entitled to it.
     
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    You believe it is acceptable to steal someone else's land based on a crazy religion that believes in a magic man in the sky and you have the gall to question some one else's sanity? LOL
     
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    On the contrary.
    I think that a nation has a right to declare its own state. In that respect there is no difference if it is the French people, the English, the Americans or the Israelis.
    I also think that the Arab nomads and work immigration cannot suddenly claim they are a nation when they have never been before just to try disposes the Israelis of their homeland.
    Lets just take the two 'great' leaders of the so called 'parestinians'.
    One was Arafat who was an Egyptian.
    The other rule them today, Mahamud Abass who is a Jordanian.
     
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