Justin Trudeau Wore Brownface at 2001 ‘Arabian Nights’ Party While He Taught at a Private School, Ca

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  1. Pred

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    Let’s just say that any Republican that had this uncovered would be run out of office with pitchforks, death threats and a 24/7 smear campaign by the MSM. Trump has been railroaded that badly for a whole lot less. So do the math.
     
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    Again, you willingly fail to see the truth. You're deluding yourself. You've made many, many posts in this thread and yet somehow you expect no one to challenge any of them?

    No one is obsessed with you. When I respond to you, its simply to prove you wrong, which I do. Using your own posts makes it really easy to do; you provide the board with the very evidence anyone needs to prove you wrong. That you cannot process that is hardly MY problem. You don't want to have your posts challenged in a political forum? Either be consistent or simply don't post at all.

    Oh, indeed I was. Look at your own post, AJ: You spent most of it discussing me with a small afterthought at the end - "Oh, and on-topic - " You seem to be okay with doing that. You respond to many a post with plenty of off-topic stuff then at the end say "And ON-topic -" Well, so am I.

    I discussed my POV in my post that you quoted, I even quoted two posts of mine where I said "Governor Coonman" probably shouldn't resign, so I rather doubt that JT must - however, since we know the, ah "LW Swamp-Fever Borg Drones" have gone after the RW for much the same, they seem to have boxed themselves in on this one. Their own level at outrage at anything they say is racist (whether it actually was or not) ought to be hilariously used against them. I've been consistent on this topic. You are not. Accept it or explain why one aspect of racism is acceptable while another is not. I actually think that IS a reasonable question, AJ.
     
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  3. Bluesguy

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    It had long been a racial taboo and an insult to blacks and I can well imagine had it been Kavanaugh or Trump or McConnell the outrage in which the MSM and left would be engaged. And THREE times and he lied about it.
     
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    Thanks. It's a real **** show right now.

    I'll take Norm over either of the other two (and probably most of the country) over my current choices.
     
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    I can understand why you defend Trudeau so vehemently. After all, you picked one huge racist for your screenname. Andrew Jackson who was the first Democrat president was a prolific slave owner who owned as many as 300 slaves. Story goes that if one escaped he would offer a $50 bounty to anyone who would bring him back and an extra $10 if he gave him 100 lashes. When Jackson died, he did NOT free any of his slaves. He was also an ethnic cleanser who was responsible for the Trail of Tears which forcibly relocated Native Americans to other land killing thousands of them during the long trek. He did this not only to get rid of them, but also to free up land so that his white supremacy buddies could set up more slave plantations. Andrew Jackson was not a nice guy...
     
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    Maybe they should dial their "Im offended" thermostat down a little!
     
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    I'd ask black people why they are fine with using white face to portray white people, but are offended when white people portray black people with black face. I'd also ask whether they really think it is offensive to dress up as a person of another race. Should girls not dress up as Pocahontas, white kids not dress up as Michael Jordan, boys not dress up as Aladdin, and kids not dress up as aliens? I'd suggest that black people not get offended so easily and only get offended when this dress up is used to mock or take jobs from black people.
     
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    Okay, Trudy officially has some sort of dressing-up-like-a-minority fetish.

    It was bad enough with all the minority cross-dressing, but the brownface weirdness takes it to a whole other level.

    He's taken self-loathing of his whiteness to some Ed Woodesque extremes.
     
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    It's as racist as a transvestite guy dressing up as a woman is sexist.
     
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    It's no big deal up there, just like it's no big deal here. Toronto Star says blackface is as Canadian as hockey.

    Here the blackface governor of Virginia is still governor. It really is nothing at all.
     
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    There shouldn't be a big deal... WHAT SO EVER. He dressed in a costume and a clever one at that. Could dressing as a blue geni potentially get you on one of these asinine list? Our society has become so delicate that I see human race going the way of the Dodo!
     
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    Did you just create a new thing for people to be outraged about?
     
  13. Bluesguy

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    I don't know what you are missing here, blackfacing has LONG been a racial insult to blacks, going back to the 1950's and before.
     
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    Scroll up and watched the CNN clips I posted.

    David Leonard, chair of Washington State University's department of critical culture, gender, and race studies, explained it this way in his 2012 Huffington Post essay, "Just Say No To blackface: Neo Minstrelsy and the Power to Dehumanize":

    Blackface is part of a history of dehumanization, of denied citizenship, and of efforts to excuse and justify state violence. From lynchings to mass incarceration, whites have utilized blackface (and the resulting dehumanization) as part of its moral and legal justification for violence. It is time to stop with the dismissive arguments those that describe these offensive acts as pranks, ignorance and youthful indiscretions. Blackface is never a neutral form of entertainment, but an incredibly loaded site for the production of damaging stereotypes...the same stereotypes that undergird individual and state violence, American racism, and a centuries worth of injustice.


    In "Just Say No to Blackface," Leonard wrote that some people feel they should have the option to live in ignorance about what's wrong with blackface. That itself, he argued, says a lot about how racism works:

    "The ability to be ignorant, to be unaware of the history and consequences of racial bigotry, to simply do as one pleases, is a quintessential element of privilege. The ability to disparage, to demonize, to ridicule, and to engage in racially hurtful practices from the comfort of one's segregated neighborhoods and racially homogeneous schools reflects both privilege and power. The ability to blame others for being oversensitive, for playing the race card, or for making much ado about nothing are privileges codified structurally and culturally."

    So, maybe you don't know anything about the history of minstrelsy, and maybe you don't know anything about the pain and trauma of living in a society that imagines blackness as comical or criminal.

    More here https://www.vox.com/2014/10/29/7089591/why-is-blackface-offensive-halloween-costume
     
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    It all depends on who does the infraction, not the infraction itself.
     
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    Simply painting your face black isn't any more of an insult than a black person painting his face white. There is no insult in dressing up as something in Halloween. Many black people are too easily offended by things that actually aren't racist. If they are serious about it, then I want to see some black condemnation of Eddie Murphy for whiteface.
     
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    But are black people offended by what Trudeau did? It would have been racist if he dressed up and painted his face like a gollywog or someone out of the Minstrel Show. I have yet to see anyone black say that they are offended with Trudeau blackening his face.
     
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    I find that these racist issues are caused by those that are so hung up about racism, they've created this stupid situation by calling everything racist. If you go to a fancy dress night and the theme means a 'white' person would need to brown their skin, it ain't racist.

    If there was a Tarzan theme night, a black guy turning up in a loin cloth is not racist.

    And the best analogy to this stupidity that I can think of was a transvestite guy dressed up as a woman is not sexist. I'm surprised these people hung up with racism hasn't accused a transvestite sexist.
     
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    Think I recall some criticism from 3rd wave feminists types of male to female transgenders.
     
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    You OBVIOUSLY have Misread and Misinterpreted my remarks.

    But since I represent the Epitome of Class, I will walk you through it:

    1) I DON'T think that "Racism is OK".

    ^In fact, I really do not know of any rational person who would subscribe to the idea that "Racism is OK".

    2) I do not feel that what Trudeau did was "racist".

    ^If you have a different opinion, that is within your prerogative.

    Also, this incident is only being used as an excuse by the RW to throw shade at "Liberals".

    And, without any question, Trudeau will be retained as PM.

    Have a nice day. :salute:
     
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    What do you make of the fact that Trudeau himself believes that what he did was racist?
     
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    So suddenly after decades dressing in black face and mocking blacks is acceptable to you. Glad you are on record now with that one.

    Read post #190 again.
     
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    I don't think that I have "misread" or "misinterpreted" your remarks. Obviously you don't think that blackface is an insult to Blacks. You are wrong. He now has 2 pictures and one short video out there, so it wasn't a one time deal, and said he doesn't know how many are out there. I guess we will find out. To me, they were offensive, and he should be held accountable. I liked his groveling though, because he said he "now" realizes it was racist.(because he got caught).
     
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    When did Trudeau mock black people? Be specific of what he did that was mocking black people. Here is a definition of mocking:
    adjective
    adjective: mocking
    making fun of someone or something in a cruel way; derisive.

    And here is a definition of derisive:
    adjective: derisive
    expressing contempt or ridicule
     
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    I'm not so sure it was because he got caught, that's he's just addressing this now. I mean what was he supposed to do, go back over his whole adult life taking a fearless and searching moral inventory like they do in AA?

    And then what? Apologize preemptively for every transgression he can scrounge up? Step down, or not run in the first place, for something he did, that wasn't frowned upon then but is now?
     
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