Electric Cars

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Just A Man, Oct 10, 2019.

  1. ButterBalls

    ButterBalls Well-Known Member

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    Not really, but if you consider "What mineral" provides power to California then junking them might not be such a bad idea ;)
     
  2. Just A Man

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    Not quite yet. But I'm open to new inventions if they prove viable. I'm not for throwing out the baby with the bath water.
    Actually I wish we could run our cars, trucks, trains, aircraft on miniature nuclear power plants.

    It was more tongue-in-cheek than factual.
     
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    If the demand for fossil fuels collapses then using it as lubricants might well be cheaper than organic lubricants.

    Given how appallingly badly the average person drives on the roads today do you really want accidents involving nuclear reactors upwind of your home on a regular basis?

    My only caveat with electrical cars is that if the battery catches fire it can take an entire day before it cools down enough to stop burning. But we now over 3 million hybrids on the roads already and batteries catching fire is not a major news item so it does not seem to be a problem for the average commuter.
     
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    I would expect by then technology would protect any leaking radiation in all accidents, like the Black Box on an airliner. Imagine all 18-wheelers running for 20+ years on one refill.
     
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    Aren't most of today's new cars lubricated with synthetic oil products which are far superior to natural oil and last longer??
     
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    Synthetic oils are usually made from petroleum products.
     
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    Not quite. What you embrace will determine the consequences of the change- so change for the sake of change, or for short term goals, or for personal satisfaction or emotional malice usually comes back to bite you in the posterior. Change that improves the state of society in general is usually good. Change that rewards bad character or sloth or benefits one at the expense of others... Not so much.

    And, we have far too much of that happening right now. Changes, like the decisions to make them or embrace them, have consequences. Sometimes devastating ones.
     
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    I will be dead in 25 years but I will drive whatever is most practical for me. No car at the moment is less practical than an electric one. Maybe they can improve that in 25 years. You will find out.
     
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    Solar panels are nowhere near good enough for the consumer market. If they were, tax subsidies wouldn’t be required.
     
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    Why should ANY car be subsidized?
     
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    New and emerging technologies that would have trouble without it — it’s beneficial to the country. I am fine with all subsidies being ended however; farming, oil, defense contractors... and a host of others that have no place being paid for by the tax payer. Deal?
     
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    It’s up to the manufacturers to make the technology affordable to the public demand. If they can’t do it, their competitors will. No need for subsidized dollars, period.
     
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    Ok
     
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    That comes from being a grumpy old man. I curse my car every time I have to go anywhere because it has no knobs, no key, and no soul.

    I miss my old beaters that might have 1 new radial and 3 bald bias plies, a radio that didn't have to wait to be paired with my smart phone via blue tooth, and a place for a girl to sit in the middle of the front bench seat.

    So they're going to start selling me an electric car? I've seen 'em. It seems like every car at my job's parking lot is either a hybrid or full on electric, and they were designed by somebody who obviously was thinking function over style. Yeah well, I'm already unhappy so I don't care. Soon enough, I'll be riding one of those mobility scooters, and then lord help any pedestrians on the sidewalk as I make my way to the beer store!
     
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    Meh! Solar panels are cheap and you need electricity to pump fuel
     
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    I thought that too until I bought a Ford and found out that vegetable oil would fry the motor or something. Big warnings about maintaining clean fuel
     
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    The sheer WEIGHT of that shielding would negate any benefits from using that technology. Every vehicle would be at least one ton heavier or more and that would destroy the roads and increase our taxes.

    Even when only needing to "refill" every 20 years there are MILLIONS of vehicles on the road. We can't even handle the nuclear waste from the 100 or so plants already in existence. The entire world would be radioactive from the waste alone.

    Way too many DOWNSIDES for that to ever be a viable option.
     
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    Please substantiate that allegation because consumers are buying and installing solar panels already.
     
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    Your fossil fuel is subsidized to the tune of BILLIONS of taxpayer dollars every year.
     
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    Yup!

    Have to filter out any impurities and then include a drop of additive to make the oil less viscous. After that it will work the same as any other diesel already on the market. Older diesel vehicles are better choices for home made vegetable oil fuel but you can run a modern diesel on the green diesel/biodiesel mixtures that you can buy commercially at the pump since they are made to the same specifications.
     
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    I also since found out that Ford stands for Found On a Rubbish Dump :p
     
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    I will own a daily drive EV but will always have an IC powered off roader as I often travel 2000km from the nearest capital city, often 200km from the nearest town full stop, and know how to repair my engine. I don't know how to repair a power unit or if that's even possible without a replacement.

    I also just adore the sound of a throaty V8 and will have a sport IC when I can afford it.

    I have spoken for over a decade about the coming ban on IC engines, and have been consistently laughed at. I guess I am slowly being proven right. These people won't be laughing for long.
     
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    They are coal powered or fossil fuel powered or nuclear powered. That electricity don't just jump out of the sky to charge up an electric car.
     
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    "I wish we could run our cars, trucks, trains, aircraft on miniature nuclear power plants."

    If that can be achieved then suitcase nuclear bombs can be achieved, and mass shootings will be but a very minor irritation, hardly newsworthy.
     
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    Which brands?
     

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