Trump orders American troops to retreat

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  1. Ddyad

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    Yes. Here it is again:

    "… from 1900 to 1987 governments MURDERED almost *170* MILLION people ... far exceeds the 34.4 million battle deaths ... from all...wars fought during the same period.... democratic governments were responsible for only about one percent of the twentieth century's death toll from democide...."
    The Atlantic Monthly, "The World In Numbers," "Murder By The State," Vol. 292 NO. #4, 11/20. (emphasis mine)

    The Atlantic's source: "Rummels books on the subject - particularly "Death By Government" (1994) and "Statistics of Democide" (1997).
     
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    For someone who follows a party and thought train that disses science and socialism you sure depend upon it for every facet of your life. The left is not so nearly as hypocritical. Your bubble is, denial and following a right wing racist.
     
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    Syria’s economy depends upon oil. Though not a major producer, it’s location and reserves make it all about the oil
    Geography. “Syria is the only significant crude oil producing country in the Eastern Mediterranean region, which includes Jordan, Lebanon, Israel and the Palestinian territories.”

    When the marker becomes flat, it’s even more important to control oil reserves in that region. Obviously Russia feels so.
    There are no militaries that are not dependent upon oil. So it’s not just bout the wealth, it’s about military power as well.
     
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    35,000 bpd is very small.. Not enough to meet their domestic needs.

    Jordan, Lebanon, Israel and the Palestinian territories don't have any oil.
     
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    Never did science socialism is a horrible idea that should have found its way on to histories ash heap decades ago.
     
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    Yeah. Perhaps he should have continued to send them home in boxes. He inherited Turkey as a NATO ally even as they have been less and less of an ally since Erdogan transformed Turkey. I'm sure he received assurances from Erdogan before he pulled troops out. But assurances don't mean alot coming from people to whom deceit is noble. As it turned out, Turkey is no more an ally than Germany, who was working side deals with Russia in betrayal of our relationship. The Brits meddled in the 2016 election --- the great pals they are. Turns out Trump was correct on all counts. If our so-called allies want defense, they can pay for it.

    We worked against un-Americans to become energy independent. The dividend should be to separate us from the violence in the Middle East. We have no dog in a fight that has Russia supporting Assad because Assad protects Russia's Oil & Gas monopoly in Europe by blocking the Saudi desire to run a pipeline to give them access to the European market. Why do we care?

    If we block illegals from entering through our southern border, we don't have to worry about Afghanistan either. Why are we killing our kids when we have no interest in these places? We should focus on stopping the opioids illegal Democrats sneak in through the border and let the global adventurism of the last two administrations die instead of our kids.
     
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    Are you sure you trust Trump's judgment?

    Turkey has taken on refugees from both our wars in Iraq and now Syrian refugees. You may not like them, but surely you can see their point.

    Trump has been bragging since 2018 that he defeated ISIS.

    [​IMG]

    You didn't do squat for energy dependence. Oil companies invest in rigs, exploration and drilling when the ppb goes high.
     
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    I'm gonna vote straight republican. If that makes me a republican, okay, I agree with you. But I still don't know how I would get my registration card.

    If republicans on the hill ever get wishy-washy and distance themselves from Trump, I just won't bother to vote. Why would I? Republicans are nothing without Trump or at least Trump-mindset leadership.
     
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    Well yeah, I wish he would have pulled completely out of Europe instead. That would have taken much more of the burden off of working US taxpayers.

    75 years plus is way damn too long to have troops and equipment in Europe.
     
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    War is only fun when you cream your enemy and don't take any casualties. That's very rare, but it's fun.
     
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    That will happen when, not if, the economy goes south. When everyone’s 401s are worth dirt and people start losing their jobs, you’ll “ come around.”
    Heck, you’ll come around when your Medicare is threatened, you socialist.
     
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    War and atrocities associated with warfare are a byproduct of organized human communities.
    Nevertheless, the warfare and atrocities associated with religion pale in comparison to modern era warfare and mass murder by secular governments.
    The "progressive era" broke all the records.
     
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    Yup, that makes you a Republican, who doesn’t believe in science but luvs his Medicare ( and other socialism based programs. )
     
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    I'm sure Trump can manage that. I mean, he's done it like four times already.
     
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    Right now, everything is happening to the benefit of Russia, Traitor Trump gets his marching orders from Putin.
     
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    Trump can manage that when Putin instructs him to.
     
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    Lyndon Johnson made medicare the law of the land and Harry Truman took the first card. I was worried about LBJ's draft and didn't have a damn thing to do with it.
     
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    There was no US opposition to Russia/Putin before Trump took office.
    Surely you know that.
     
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    There wasn’t ? I guess all those sanctions and getting thrown out of the g8 was just figment of your imagination.
     
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    It was the g8 that should have been thrown out.
     
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    So now, you’re a Russian sympathizer, a chip off the old Trump.
     
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    Medicare and other socialist programs are better than nothing, but Americans do not love any of them.

    All thinking Americans would rather have the money up front than any government promise. Especially after watching the USG flush $8 trillion down the military industrial toilet complex to fight jackass wars in the ME.
     
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    I am anti unnecessary foreign entanglements.
     
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    Oh, so you’re saying the vast majority are un American ?
    There are no polls that don’t show Medicare is one of the most popular programs EVER. Maybe social security, more socialism, is as popular. Even a majority of republicans support “Medicare for all” .......even more socialism. Hilariously out of touch are Trump supporters.
    https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-ame...blicans-say-the-support-medicare-for-all-poll
     
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    Who isn’t ?
    Trump luvs foreign entanglement . That’s how he got elected and gets most of his business funding......and had two foreign born wives. The only American women he curries favor with since he’s been married are prostitutes . ,
    And you support Traitor Trump ?
     
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