Trump orders American troops to retreat

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  1. FatBack

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    lol, the one who presided over the slowest economic recovery in history? How do you square record employment numbers with Trump is crashing the economy? The square peg will not go in the round hole. Obama is long gone. But let me guess, if we currently had record UNemployment, it would suddenly be the President's fault, right?
     
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    There are no shares in socialism. Just broken promises.

    OTOH, bank stock has been a pretty good investment over the years. Not the best, not as good as a bank account with money in it, but pretty good.
     
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    Another pass.
     
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    Has Noam Chomsky got his head up "Hannity's Toosh?

    "If there was any interference by the Russians, it is essentially undetectable. There are careful analyses of what happened in the election, you can see how it changed, how the money poured in, other things. There is no sign of any Russian effect."

    "The quid pro quo is that he's increased military action on the Russian border. He's created a huge expansion of the military budget aimed at Russia, he's pulled out of the INF treaty, which is a major threat to Russia. What's the quid pro quo?

    There's no evidence of any Russian effect on the presidential election, certainly not on the Senate or House elections, which went exactly the same way... So it is not a serious charge. There's lots of things to condemn about Trump, but not that."
    REAL CLEAR POLITICS, Noam Chomsky: Trump-Russia Collusion Claims "A Bad Joke", By Tim Hains, On Date April 1, 2019.
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...ky_trump-russia_collusion_claims_a_joke.html#!

    Mueller and his team have cleared Trump. Everyone knows that even those who pretend they don't.
     
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    Absolutely! Trump has done everything to crash the economy. With his idiotic Tariff war. Look... here's the bottom line: he has not passed a single piece of significant legislation in two and a half years. Nothing. The only thing he passed was his tax cuts for the rich. And the impact on the economy was a tiny blip, followed by increased deficit. Your guy's a mess.... Dishonest, incompetent, incapable of doing any deals, foul mouthed.... not a single redeeming quality.
     
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    Observing said:
    I am 100% behind Trump on this. We don't belong in a syrian civil war, we don't belong in Iraq, libya or anyplace else where the people who are fighting are not fighting us. All this terrorism towards us from these people are due to our own actions. We overthrew a legit elected government in Iran and then propped up a brutal dictator in the Shah. We invaded a country in Iraq when they wanted to take over a neighboring kingdom, no a democracy but a kingdom. So we overthrew Saddam whose secular government would kill these Muslim extremest and rape thier wives if they ever acted out. The we did the same to Quadafii after convincing him to stop building nukes, then we said hell we screwed two countries into becoming havens for terrorists lets go for three and help overthrow Assad family who has protected the Christians living there for 40 years.

    Now I feel for the kurds, we should offer every kurdish soldier and thier family and opportunity to relocate here.



    Geez! :roflol::rolleyes: That's all I can say. Then like a good Trump supporter, you tried to change the subject. This isn't about the modern history of the world. This is about Trump's betrayal of a loyal ally that sacrificed a lot to eliminate a dangerous terrorist threat for us and the Western democracies.

    Then you gratuitously said you feel for the Kurds. Spoken like a true Trumpet.

    Either you are a Trump supporter or you are very confused.


     
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    I would post a list of his accomplishments but I doubt you could be bothered to click on it. To make the statement you made is akin to sticking your fingers in your ears and going "la la lahhh, I cant hear you".
     
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    I know what you consider "accomplishments" by heart. Things like appointing a sexual assailant to the Supreme Court Being President when Obama's plan to control Isis came to the part where the Caliphate is dismantled (which Trump is well on the way to messing up). Renaming NAFTA but changing very little in it. Launching a bunch of great-sounding initiatives which are just smoke because they were executive orders and not legislation, .... Oh... of course... the mother of them all: taking credit for the results of the economic policies that he inherited from Obama .... And on and on.... I've seen them a million times all over wingnut media. Not impressed.
     
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    Here is the part you edited out...

    To make the statement you made is akin to sticking your fingers in your ears and going "la la lahhh, I cant hear you".

    Calling Kavanaugh, a "sexual assailant" with zero evidence, is a foolish thing to post. Just stay in denial. It fits well.
     
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    Sure, you believe Putin over ever investigating authority of the US government. Traitor Trump and his lemmings. Mueller cleared Trump. You don’t read much do you. Neither does Trump.
     
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    The 6 trillion dollars that we spent since 9/11 in the mideast. For 5% of that total we had al queda and the taliban on the ropes 1 year after invading Afganistan. Bush then put afganistan on the back burner and attacked Iraq. Obama then attacked Libya and Syria.
    All at the behest of the MIC and not in our national interest.
     
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    I am not a trump supporter and I held my nose and voted for hilary. this election cycle I have chosen to back Tulsi Gabbard, On her behalf I will be doing phone banks and a very small monetary contribution. I feel bad that American lives are in danger in Syria and we are spending billions there fighting against assad who is fighting against ISIS and Al-quada who are our enemies. We supply arms to SA and they pass those arms on to Al-quada puppets in Syria.

    Now the 5,000 or so Kurds who actually battled alongside our troops I would offer them asylum in the US for them and thier families. But I don't think we need to support them in thier war against Turkey, or in Iraq or Syria in thier quest for a autonomous homeland.

    just because I don't think everything Trump does is terrible, means that I back him. I am not a orange man bad dem but a left leaning progressive who feels we should not be spending trillions of dollars in the mideast but at home instead. I think the last 30 years of presidents and national politicians sold the american workers livelihood for the sake of multinational profits and I applaud Trumps efforts to right out imbalance with China. He may not be doing the way I want it done, but at least he is doing something that Bush, Clinton and Obama did not.
     
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    There is room for you in the Republican party, as you can see, not much wiggle room on the left.
     
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    Nah, I want single payer, a doubling of the minimum wage and a flat tax of 33% with only one deduction for family size. Eliminate SS and replace it with a fed guaranteed income of the poverty level after 45 years of work. I want a safety net for all CITIZENS.
    And everyone to pay the same % of income. no SS and no health benefits paid by business, thier business is to make profits not provide social programs.
     
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    I dont think either side can or will, back that, 100%
     
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    Of course there is room. The Dems have 12 million more registered then republicans. IMO, there are a lot more closet republicans under the guise of being independent and libertarian. But, is fking embarrassing hanging out with conspiracy theorists and clansmen just because you want to pay lower taxes. So they hide it for convenience.
     
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    Flat tax is perfectly doable. No one pays income tax up to the middle class entry point, then is 20% with no deductions on everything above. It’s aboubt the entry point into the flat tax rate.
     
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    That does not raise nearly enough money. We have a total income of 20 trill dollars and our budget right now is over 5 trill. We raise about 1 trill in corporate taxes and all other taxes. Personal income taxes raise a little more then 3 trill and we run a 1 trill deficit.
    The nation now spends 3 trill for Healthcare incl medicare. So we have to raise 8 trill to break even if we pay for healthcare and balance the budget. a 20% tax rate will only raise about 2.5 trill if we give everyone a 50,000 deductible. We would be running a 2 trill deficit even without healthcare. A 33% tax would be 7.6 trill incl corporate taxes which I would lower to 10% the lowest in the industrial world.

    No more deficits- no uninsured people. Business no longer paying healthcare and SS taxes for thier employees. The lowest tax rate in the world. Right now a 50,000 a year employee cost the company 5,000 in SS taxes and another 6,000 in healthcare even after a tax deduction for both expenses. This money will then go to stockholders and the investor class who will pay 33% tax on it. With a 33% cut in corporate taxes , a 20% reduction in the cost of a 50,000 a year employee, America will become a haven for manufacturing and not making hamburgers.
     
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    No, because it makes too much sense. Right now a guy making 100,000 grand a year pays 9,000 for SS and medicare, and about 5,000 in healthcare for a family of 4. Which equates to about 75 per week premium at the very best case. Now I don't know anyone who actually pays that little but I am sure someone does. So that is 14,000 in "taxes" paid and about 17% actual tax rate or 17,000 grand. the 17 and 14 amounts equal 31% and you pay 2% more to help eliminate the deficit to get to 33%. Allowing everyone a 5,000 deduction for a 401 brings your tax down another 1500 Everyone under 100,000 gets a better deal. So that is 75% of the nation does better than what they are now in wages.

    Now the remaining 25% of the people who make more than 100,000 grand are whom I would see get the greatest benefit from the lowering of business taxes as they own 80% of equities with pension plans and middle class 401s the remaining 20%. They will pay a higher tax on that. The super rich top 2% percent will get hammered on the income side but benefit from the corporate rate and better business environment. While Besos will now pay 3 bill on his 10 bill of income. he no longer pays a 1 bill in SS, medicare and healthcare cost for his employees.
     
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    Secret police/spy agencies are professional subversives and liars. Surely you know that.

    "We in the media allowed unproven charges and false accusations to dominate the news landscape for more than two years, in a way that was wildly unbalanced and disproportionate to the evidence.

    We did a poor job of tracking down leaks of false information. We failed to reasonably weigh the motives of anonymous sources and those claiming to have secret, special evidence of Trump’s “treason.”

    As such, we reported a tremendous amount of false information, always to Trump’s detriment.

    And when we corrected our mistakes, we often doubled down more than we apologized. We may have been technically wrong on that tiny point, we would acknowledge. But, in the same breath, we would insist that Trump was so obviously guilty of being Russian President Vladimir Putin’s puppet that the technical details hardly mattered.

    So, a round of apologies seem in order."
    THE HILL, Apologies to President Trump, BY SHARYL ATTKISSON, 03/25/19.
    https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/435552-apologies-to-president-trump

    Don't be fooled again.
     
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    What a stupid post. At least those on the right can understand basic math, something the majority of the left, can't. Thanks for validating my post.
     
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    We all know Trump is responsible for the humanitarian crisis in Syria and the countless people being killed there.

    Well, Trump finally decided to take action. The un-military Commander-in-Chief has ordered 3,000 troops plus F-16's and ABM's to ... wait for it ... Saudi Arabia.

    Our brilliant C-in-C sent troops to the wrong country, or, he doesn't want to interfere in a military operation that is helping Russia and its ally, the murderous dictator of Syria, Bashar al-Assad.

    Unbelievable. Trump must be very stupid. He is very open about his assistance to Putin.
     
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    "Oops!" doesn't cut it when you make foreign policy decisions that cost lives.
     
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    In fact, Trump inherited the ME mess created by Western leaders over the course of the last century.
    He is now dragging our kicking and screaming corrupt bipartisan ruling political class and its military industrial complex out of the ME.

    He has apparently decided to block Iran from taking over Yemen The Gulf States and KSA.
    Which probably makes as much sense as The Bushes' decision to block Saddam Hussein's Iraq from doing the same thing.
    IOW, it may just be another foreign policy error.
     
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    Basic math ? Why have Republican budgets been responsible for nine if the last ten recessions. Why don’t you guys believe in science ? Conservatives are a joke.
     
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