Trump orders American troops to retreat

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  1. Observing

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    They have been covered in the ER since Reagans mistake. So when they said free health care for all illegals, what were they referring to? And who will pay for it?
    PS, I see you chose to ignore that Duke was endorsing Tulsi...:rolleyes:
     
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    Something that important, and you didn’t know it ? Were you asleep under a rock for the Bush, Reagan, Bush to name the most recent. The president is the CEO. He actually spends the money, regulates the economy and decides the priorities. Congress allocated the funds based upon what he will sign. Republican lead tax cuts when they were in total charge and deregulation’s like Bush p, Reagan and now Trump have ALWAYS preceded them. The economy is slowing down under Trump.....
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...publican-presidents-rule-recessions/93976832/
     
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    They were referring to the debackle that Trump has started by refusing healthcare and abandoning immigrants in holding pens leaving many to sit in filth and swallow and children to die.
    Trump supporters fiend ignorance. Whose going to pay. Every government agency pays for the healthcare of those they 8nfeirm. Otherwise, they run concentration camps. You like that don’t you ?
    Oh, Tutsi was elected president ? Gabbard has the KKK attend here rallies ?
    Gabbard denounced Duke. Trump did not. He thinks the KKK have nice people.
     
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    Cant read, not turning my adblocker off. Can you C&P to prove your claim?
     
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    Just get the nearest eight year old to show you how.
     
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    What is 8nferimn?
    Gabbi was endorsed by Duke and you repeat a lie. Duke likes her anti Isreal stance. He is fond of Ilhan as well. He likes anti semites. That's why he abandoned President Trump and is embracing his roots.
     
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    Did he teach you, your childish insults? Maybe have him teach you what onus means.
     
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    Look in the mirror. You’ve been trying to rewrite history like a child.
     
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    This is not about me...try to focus on the actual topic,,,thanks a bunch. I'm not the subject. Any thoughts on the topic?
     
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    Thoughts ? Of course. Trump doesn’t know wth he’s doing. Like his entire time as president, he’ll do whatever anyone suggests as long as the person can promise him money, or kiss his asteroid. It’s no different then most conservatives. He’s obvious about it because he can’t remember what he says from one day to the next, only that Putin is his finance manager.
     
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    Almost as good as a brokerage account full of stocks and bonds, and both worth a lot more that any governments promise.
     
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    Obama made the decision not to become involved in the Syrian civil war but, because it was in our national security interests, decided to give air support and advisers to Kurds fighting ISIS on the Syrian border. Now, due to the Orange Buffoon's decision to acquiesce to Erdogan's request to allow him to slaughter the Kurds, they have aligned themselves with Syrian government forces.

    This is another example of the 'stable genius" having no idea how the dominoes would fall after his impulsive, idiotic act of betrayal.

    "The shift sets up a potential clash between Turkey and Syria and raises the specter of a resurgent Islamic State group as the U.S. relinquishes any remaining influence in northern Syria to Assad and his chief backer, Russia."
    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/14/syrian-army-turkish-forces-046659


    Hundreds of Islamic State family members have escaped a detention camp in Ain Issa, which has been the administrative capital of the Kurdish-led government in northeastern Syria.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...e2c420-ee06-11e9-bb7e-d2026ee0c199_story.html
     
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    1. The ISIS fighters are illegal combatants and probably would have been executed shortly after capture but for the US presence on the ground.
    2. The PKK far from "invaluable" to the US or it is a liability for the Kurds
    3. Assad and Russia are moving to block Turkey's incursion.

    The US needs to get the hell out of Syria before the next war starts there.
     
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    In fact, Putin is a DP donor.

    “Before the Obama administration approved a controversial deal in 2010 giving Moscow control of a large swath of American uranium, the FBI had gathered substantial evidence that Russian nuclear industry officials were engaged in bribery, kickbacks, extortion and money laundering designed to grow Vladimir Putin’s atomic energy business inside the United States, according to government documents and interviews.”
    THE HILL, FBI uncovered Russian bribery plot before Obama administration approved controversial nuclear deal with Moscow, By, John Solomon and Alison Spann, 10/17/17.
    http://thehill.com/policy/national-...sian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration
     
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    You do make a good point. The RP, like its DP partner, sucks - bigly.
     
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    From the WaPo................

    "The U.S. intelligence community’s January 2017 report on Russian interference in the previous year’s presidential campaign sought to explain why Donald Trump was so attractive to Moscow. This sentence has fresh salience: “Pro-Kremlin proxy Vladimir Zhirinovskiy, leader of the nationalist Liberal Democratic Party of Russia, proclaimed just before the election that if [Trump] won, Russia would ‘drink champagne’ in anticipation of being able to advance its positions on Syria and Ukraine.”

    "The American retreat forced our Kurdish allies, outmanned and outgunned by the invading Turks, to turn toward the Kremlin and seek help from Bashar al-Assad’s regime in Damascus that they had spent years fighting to break away from. Syrian government forces, propped up by the Russian military, have long been held in abeyance by the U.S. presence."

    And Putin smiles.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-with-syria-pullout/5da403d6602ff1408391445f/
     
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    We have not abandoned the Kurds. Nobody greenlighted this operation by Turkey,” secretary of defense, Mark Esper said.

    Gen. Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, wants to make sure none of our troops get hurt as a result of the military action directly related to Trump's order to retreat.

    “The Turkish military is fully aware, down to explicit grid coordinate detail, of the locations of U.S. forces,” Milley said. “Everyone is fully aware that we are the U.S. military we retain the right of self defense.” Gee, really, after betraying an ally. How did this guy make general? A suck-a$$ to Trump?

    As a military offensive by Turkey into Syria enters its third day, aid agencies are increasingly concerned. An estimated 100,000 civilians in northeastern Syria have been displaced, at least one displaced-persons camp was relocated out of the line of fire, a front-line hospital was abandoned and critical water infrastructure was taken out of commission, according to the United Nations. All of this is exacerbating a humanitarian crisis that was already one of the world's worst.

    Trump's response is beyond comprehension. “So what we have is really two choices: You have the choice of bringing in the military and defeating everybody again, or you have the choice of financially doing some very strong things to Turkey. ... We have a very good relationship with the Kurds. Or we can mediate. I hope we can mediate.

    Trump continues to have a problem with reality.

    The death toll attributed to Trump's dishonorable decision is at least 38 civilians since the start of the assault, according to the Observatory. It said 81 Kurdish fighters had been killed in the clashes.

    Kurdish forces long allied with the United States in Syria announced their alliance with the murderous dictator, Bashar al-Assad, a sworn enemy of Washington, and Assad's ally, Russia. This is an unintended consequence of Trump's order to withdraw the American military from northern Syria.

    This is what some think of the situation.

    With respect to Trump's base, this may have something to do with intellectual capabilities and educational levels. We know that Trump's support comes from rural areas and states with small populations where opportunities for intellectual achievement are somewhat limited.

    We also know that urban and suburban areas with a wide variety of schools and universities largely vote Democratic.
     
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    What does it take for the Kurds to adjust to reality and stop messing with the Turks?

    "A crushing Turkish military crackdown and the February 1999 capture of the PKK’s leader, Abdullah Ocalan, led the group’s remaining fighters to withdraw to northern Iraq and its leadership to renounce armed struggle and reconstitute itself as a political party. The Turkish government, however, continues to regard the PKK as a terrorist group. The United States—one of Turkey’s NATO allies—lists the PKK as a foreign terrorist organization."
    CFR, Inside the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), Backgrounder by Greg Bruno, October 19, 2007.
    https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/inside-kurdistan-workers-party-pkk
     
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    Hubris is a disease common to socialists. It's why socialism has failed everywhere it's been tried. Mao, Stalin, Fidel, Chavez, Maduro all believed the reason other attempts have failed is that they didn't have their chance. Our genius socialists are no exceptions. Stereotyping is for the ignorant and the lazy.
     
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    So other than just being histrionic was there an actual point to your thread? You didn't ever seem to actually care what might, or did happen in Syria when it was Barry. You never questioned the vacuum in Iraq, or shady deals with Iran. But now? Now you're concerned?

    Well, not concerned, gleeful at the suffering and misery that your dear one crafted all while you cheered it. We remember.
     
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    What you remember is right wing propaganda............I'd be more than happy to help you understand what you believe is a steaming pile.
     
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    Speaking of histrionics, I can't stop laughing at the whining. Did you hear Don’s reelection campaign manager Brad Parscale branded the Democrat-led impeachment inquiry a “seditious conspiracy” and called for the resignation of Pelosi as another witness (Hill) testified behind closed doors? What a clown.
     
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    Putin is Trumps main squeeze.
     
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    Nope, it’s not even close to being equivalent. Criminal convictions, republicans 89, Democrats 1 .
     

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