Berlin denies "Reagan" Statue to erected on its soil...US have to park it on their embassy

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  1. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    Oh, right... because wasting tons of money on an imperialist war against Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia, while adding two gigantic entitlement programs, had no impact on the financial state of the US political system.
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    American leftists, and Leftists in Europe and elsewhere, also saw him as a warmonger. They called him Ronald Ray Gun, in that clever way they have, and marched for peace whenever the communists wanted them too.
     
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  3. Ethereal

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    A Pyrrhic victory that made the world much worse and harmed America profoundly.
     
  4. Ethereal

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    Maybe you're not as funny as you think you are.
     
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    Why? Because they refuse to bow and scrape before the US empire?

    What would be an acceptable demonstration of gratitude, in your opinion?

    Sounds good to me. Germany doesn't need NATO anyway.
     
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    Be that as it may, claiming the US lost those wars is technically incorrect.
    The US military overthrew the government and occupied those countries for a period of time. The sovereignty was transferred back peacefully, those countries didn’t fight it back.
    Guerrilla activity during occupation is a common occurrence, there was nothing really special about it. And as during any occupation extremist forces gain strength due to temporary political vacuum. Out of all modern wars, absence of guerrilla activity in Germany after defeat was the only exception to that rule. Germans themselves suffered significantly from guerrilla, or partisan warfare during occupation.
    As to whether the world is a more dangerous place - that’s debatable. Afghanistan population is behind civilization about 500 years, so they’ll continue doing what they were doing and not having Taliban as official government there is still better than having it as it was.
    As for Iraq - there is no guarantee Saddam would survive for too long. Look at Arab spring. It could have been the fate of Iraq. While I agree that Bush shouldn’t have gone there, from military perspective Iraq was a win.
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Right, but it was lost politically in December of 2011. All US military losses have been politically based.
     
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    Trump is a German-American.... you knew that right?

    his family immigrated here from Germany
     
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    Sheman's only goal was to conclude the war by destroying Confederate infrastructure in the commercial hub of Atlanta. He did this surgically, by the way, demolishing banks, RR stations, tracks, travel depots, and warehouses and other storage facilities with great success and often without so much as breaking a brick in the building next door. It was a well-executed operation.

    Putin was not in power during Reagan.
     
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    so you have no valid rebuttal to that point... got it, thank for chiming in
     
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  11. Fred C Dobbs

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    As explained, you don't have a point. Walls are used to keep intruders out, or discourage them, while the Berlin Wall was built by the left to keep people in. See?
     
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    Who cares? He's just an ambassador. You really don't understand how U.S. ambassadorships are handled,6 especially with regard to European countries do you?

    Ambassadorships are generally always handed out to wealthy political supporters as a reward. In no small part because wealthy ambassadors can afford to entertain in Europe to a degree that the U.S. state dept. will not fund. U.S. European ambassadors have effectively no policy influence whatsoever (with rare exceptions).

    Remember George H.W. Bush? When he was being made the de facto ambassador to China (we didn't send a real ambassador back then) his wife Barbara was relieved. She was afraid the Bush's would be sent to a European country. And despite the Bush's wealth, they didn't have enough to maintain the level of entertainment and living that European ambassadors were expected to. So she was relieved they were going to China.
     
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    Myself, three sisters, and mother all got four year college degrees and we never took out any loans whatsoever.
     
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    Amazing that so many people thought Reagan was going to start a nuclear war. Or at least an apocalyptic conventional war.

    Yet about the only "war" that Reagan started was the invasion of Grenada!
     
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    I thought you claimed the F-35 was an inferior aircraft for various reasons?

    Now you're saying that Germany didn't choose the F-35 because of a man who won't even be president in five years. Regarding aircraft that would probably end up serving Germany for at least 25-30 years.

    This doesn't speak well for German leadership.
     
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    I think the Gipper might respond by simply stating: "Well, there you go again."
     
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    Putin was a very high ranking KGB officer at that time.
     
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    Because he was pushing the envelope and people in West Germany were getting really scared.
    It is a completely different thing, if you are 10,000 away, or live in a small crowded country with over 500,000 soldiers, armed to the teeth, ready to go at any moment and having the same amount of soldiers, armed to their teeth, ready to go at any moment, just across the border.
    It really effected the people.
    Most of them still remembered the bomb out cities.
     
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    Trump wants to build a wall of china across our border, which keeps people both in and out - assuming no one cuts a door in them

    course most illegals come here legally
     
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    The only reason the US military exists is to defend and uphold the US constitution. And the purpose of the constitution is outlined in the preamble: We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

    The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan totally failed to further any of those purposes. And not only did those wars fail to achieve the stated political objectives of the constitution, they did massive harm to the country and the world. So, no, they were not military "victories" or "wins" in any sense, technical or otherwise. If a war fails to further the political goals of the constitution, then it is a failure, a loss, and a humiliation. And it happened because of the interventionist ideology that you and Dayton subscribe to - which is why are you are both trying so hard to portray obvious failures as wins.
     
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    Uh...i think data about companies in Republican "held" (are they occupying us now?) states were sent to you by the Internets and those companies's prospectus. Unlike what is apparently the case in Germany a company's financial data here is not a closely guarded provincial secret.

    Merket is right though. There are elements in the USA whose love of our country vastly outweighs the totally absent loyalty we feel to a lying traitor who wants to destroy the nation we grew up in. Lock him up and send his lickspittle minions home
     
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    Some here added Trump as a reason to dismiss american contractors from deals completly. Our army wants new guns and the proposal was written in a way that even german companies get refused who use american parts in their product.

    As i said, our nations relationship is broken
     
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    The only reason to wage wars is to achieve a political objective. So if the political objective isn't achieved, then the war is a loss and a failure no matter how you slice it.

    Vietnam and Iraq are two of the biggest failures in human history. Pointing out the fact that the US military managed to kill tons of people and blow up lots of things in the process is hardly a cogent rebuttal.
     
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    Trump asked your nation to be fair. So you refuse. We have other friends.
     
  25. Dayton3

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    Gross exaggerations. At least from the U.S. perspective which suffered relatively light losses in both conflicts. Virtually non existent in Iraq.
     

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