Berlin denies "Reagan" Statue to erected on its soil...US have to park it on their embassy

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I promise I won't. Don't forget all the massive improvements made to passenger planes and other defensive measures. Thnx
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Haven't you heard of Western arrogance, it goes back at least a thousand years. The more 'Western' people are, the supposedly superior they are. I'm glad you're not falling for it, and that you are not looking at those who live further East as being inferior for not living up to Western Germany's standards.
     
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    One reason why when we have Germans from Germany doing their best in English not to point out errors is I recall when Jutta, the woman I was once engaged to, could talk to me on the phone easier than she could write to me. It was easier to talk to her than to write to her. My phone bill amounted to about $300 per month since at the time ATT charged enormous costs for a phone call. Remember in 1964, I rented an apartment with 2 br for about $80 per month so you can see how enormous my phone bill was. So I do not hold Germans to a super high standard in talking. I try to look beyond their words in case they did not pick the correct word in English.

    He still favors East Germany. I do not hear him favoring Russia over Germany, but in some ways he may think his parents were a bit better off then.

    Jutta's parents told me how lousy it was in East Germany and he was more than a business owner there, he was also the city mayor. He woke up and escaped when, as he explained it, it was clear his business and home was about to be taken from him. I said but, would you still work at the business and live in the home? He thought he would be allowed. But he could not call his home by the name of his home, it was to be the government home. And he had no idea how much income would be his at the business once the government stole it from him.
     
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    East Germans had very little to do with re-unification.
    East Germany trite to stand on its own feet for a year, besides the mass exodus the country was simply bankrupt.
    West Germany had to annex it.
    It was the only solution. Take over and clean up the pig stall, the cost 2.2 trillion.
    You are welcome.
     
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    Of course im welcome. Without us, you would be degenerated even further.
     
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    Why should i favor Russia? Im German. Russia is a shithole, i would not even want hang dead over a fence there. You do realize, Germany is not russia, right?
     
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    It is not easy to converse, write and express oneself in a second language. I speak 4 languages, when I have to switch between those languages, hone calls, e-mails or conversations I make a beautiful mess, because all 4 flow together. I always need a few minutes break to reprogram.
    Standard is that my brain switches back and forth between German and English. If there is a problem in my company, I solve them in my head in German, repairs, malfunctioning machines and so on, than I have to switch of for a minute and than get the parts or what ever in English. Employee problems go completely in English, they always included conversations.
    If I talk to my brother on the phone and have instantly a call afterward, I have to make a concentrated effort to get back into English only mode.
    Its weird some times.
     
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    The right wing in America wants to lionize Reagan, they have been trying to turn him into a Saint ever since he left office. In their world, the East Block listened to Ronnie say "tear down this wall" and then it collapsed. This naive and absurd view of what happened across the entire former Soviet Union and the Eastern Block is likely what fueled the desire to place a statue of Ronnie in Berlin. I am glad the Germans refused to put in in a prominent place and told the USA to put it on their own ground. The people themselves and courageous leaders destroyed the Soviet Union. Ronnie simply described what was happening and took credit for it.
     
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    I see the current state as perfect, because it shows how pathetic it is. Berlin denied the Reagan statue. The americans wanetd to force it on Berlin. They beasicly demand that Reagan HAS to play a important role for Germans. By rejecting it and forcing the americans to place it on their own ground, a big symbol was created. Reagan is visually excluded from Germany. What was not openly said before is now visible by evryone. That Reagan is rejected by Germany.
     
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    The objective measure of Western superiority is the fact that every citizen in every craphole country is trying to get in. We are being utterly swarmed. We will lose our superiority because for the first time in our history we have leaders who will not protect our civilization from foreign invaders..... indeed they ship them in from all over the world.

    A great example is the little Somalia that our leaders created in Minneapolis. What once was a model city now has an imported ghetto and is the number one breeding ground for Islamic terrorists on American soil. We have been inundated with stories of Somalis running amok in Minneapolis (from dropping little white kids from escalators, to murdering white women calling for police help, to Somali mobs attacking random people, to spitting in the face of customers and filing hoax hate crimes... it simply does not end).

    What in the holy hell are our elites doing? Get the hell out of the Middle East and quit importing Islam..... is this really that complicated?
     
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    There is a solution. Wonder If you have the courage to do it.
     
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    Germany has every right to reject whoever they want. What Reagan did was put the German people and their lives on the line to frighten the USSR, that way they would go broke trying to keep up.

    We of course can honor him for tearing down the USSR, and for pulling us out of a recession which helped the world as well. That doesn't mean that Germany or any other nation has to honor him as well.

    I find it ironic that Washington would want Germany to honor Reagan for what he did, while at the same time they revised the Cold War with the Russian Federation, so that whatever Reagan did is now null and void.
     
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    The only language I wish I knew is German - it intrigues me even though the 'East' is in my blood. I recall the Greek waiters in Rhodes speaking 5 languages. Most were from Egypt and forced to leave with Nassar. Languages came easy though, since they would pick up Greek from their parents and Arabic from the locals. The nurses and governesses were French, and then they would attend English schools. Later on they would pick up another language, probably Italian.
     
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    I have news for you, the West thought they were superior even when they were bashing people's heads in with axes, after all they knew how to wield an axe better. The 'inferiors' then were the most highly educated people in the world. Luckily for the world, they eventually turned darkness into the Renaissance.

    The point I'm trying to make is that people have different standards, and if people are not living up to your standards, it doesn't mean they are inferior.. There's also such a thing as poverty. I was shocked when Robert mentioned some of the conditions in the towns in Germany since they are known for their efficiency and cleanliness.

    This doesn't mean that everyone in the third world should be coming here, but you can thank George Soros and Washington's liberal one world ideologues for that. What we should be doing is helping other nations prosper and develop rather than turn them into hell holes.

    What's even worse is that we're trying to stop China and Russia from helping them. We won't help them ourselves, yet we're mad at them for helping them. Look what we did to Ghadaffi when he wanted to put Africa on a gold standard so they could prosper. We went and turned Libya, which was the wealthiest nation in Africa and had one of the world's best social services, into a failed state.

    So when the people who we destroy start coming here, don't blame them. Blame your government and its policies - and also yourself for voting them in office.
     
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    That's an enormous amount of money. I think it took W. Germany ten years to recover.
     
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    West Germany was in recession and took evrything out of East Germany they could get. Without Reunion, West Germany would have gotten bancrupt shortly after.
     
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    Democrats try to escape blame by shifting the blame to NATO. However, who has ever seen NATO jet fighters? Who makes the bombs that were dropped on NATO? Obama tried to blame shift. As did Clinton when he tore up Yugoslavia.

    Clinton had the balls to blame Milosevic for war crimes as he committed war crimes on Yugoslavia. I never understood why Democrats more than accepted this, they exalted Clinton for his crimes.

    Obama did the same thing in Libya with enormous approval by Democrats. Strange how our guys do not commit major war crimes yet others do and yet we kill thousands of non combatants.
     
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    @Jeannette .. I reported that when I was based in Germany, had I only saw West Germany, I also reported this part was rebuilt and the evidence of war still there would be a deliberate leaving by the West Germans to keep reminding the later generations of the problems of war. The Catholic Dom in Berlin, heavily damaged was left that way on purpose. But I also reported how disastrous was East Berlin then and the Soviets deliberately left those bombed up buildings there to teach Germany it was down and out and no longer a military threat. Germans do like clean cities. I never saw people sleeping on sidewalks there nor tent cities as we have here in the USA.
     
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    Want see East Germany?

    Dresden:

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    Weimar:

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    Erfurt:

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    Schwerin:

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    Potsdam:

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    In many aspects Eastern Germany looks better than West. In East most old architecture survived while in West you have this...

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    Thanks. However I was there from Oct 62-Jan 64. Were those East German cities rebuilt when I was there? I did not get to see much of then East Germany.
     
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    No, but thats the point. West Germany destroyed most of its old buildings, Because of that you have ugly cities now like Cologne, Essen or Kaiserslautern.

    In East Germany most old architecture was left standing. It was in bad shape but existed. After reunion east german cities did rise like a phoenix out of the ash
     
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    Rebuilt with West German money, beautiful.
     

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