572,000 in 1999-2016

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  1. Xenamnes

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    According to the list found here, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia and limiting count to incidents that resulted in four or more deaths, there have been fourteen mass killings in the nation of Australia since the Port Arthur incident. Approximately one mass killing every nineteen months. The only reason they are not spoken of is because implements other than firearms were utilized for the express purpose of murdering a great many individuals in as short an amount of time as possible.
     
  2. JET3534

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    North Korea is a good example of a country with strict gun control.
     
  3. Capn Awesome

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    Lots of countries have banned handguns. Which ones saw this massive drop in suicides?
     
  4. Polydectes

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    Guns will always be accessible.
     
  5. Polydectes

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    you can't magically make fire arms disappear so what is the point of this statement
    And self defense. Making laws against them only limits self defense. Someone who wishes to kill themselves likely isn't concerned about the law, and a criminal by definition flaunts it.
     
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    All weapons have limited utility but for their purpose they are indispensable.
     
  7. Polydectes

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    I am not sure I know anybody that supports lax gun laws. Most people don't support gun control.
     
  8. CCitizen

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    Hopefully, it will be possible to make them hardly accessible. Lives of hundreds of thousands of people are lost to them in USA.

    572,000 in 1999-2016.
     
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  9. Polydectes

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    it never will be magic doesn't exist.
    you can't magically make them disappear
    repeating statistics you do not understand does not equate to an argument
     
  10. CCitizen

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    572,000 in 1999-2016 -- not an argument but a great tragedy.
     
  11. Polydectes

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    And if we ban guns it would be higher and that would be far greater of a tragedy.

    You seems to think the only way to save a life with a gun it's to slay someone.

    You compare justifiable homicides criminal homicides how many times has someone defended themselves with a gun and not killed somebody?
     
  12. Robert E Allen

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    Tyranny.
     
  13. CCitizen

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    I really do not know how many lives were saved by guns. How many lives were saved by fentanyl? But 572,000 in 1999-2016 is too many. These are statistics for USA -- not globally.

    Sadly many people in Modern World do not value Human Life.
     
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    We all agree thsts too many.. most of those were suicides. Very sad but not a good reason to violate other peoples basic himan rights.

    Many of those people had mental health issues based off of things people said to them. Maybe we should violate the first ammendment and get people to shut up.


    We
     
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    Well I do. He estimates in one year are between 800000 and 2.6 million that's one year.

    So 572,000 over a span of ten years is not enough for you you want to tack on an extra million a year.

    fentanyl is a medicine
    800000 a year are saved by guns.

    So let's do the math 800000 * 17 that's 13.6 million you would rather that many people die.

    The ability to protect yourself means you are less likely to be killed.
    Yes particularly you. Not only is 572,000 people dying over 17 years not enough you want to add 13.6 million more to it by forbidding them the ability to defend themselves.
     
  16. CCitizen

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    Indeed, some speech may be responsible for deaths -- extremism, violent action movies, tobacco advertisement.

    But the death toll of the First Amendment is over 100 times less then the death toll of the Second Amendment.
     
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    Drug overdoses between 1999 and 2017
    Over 700,000 people. Yet the same people who want to make guns illegal want to make drugs legal...

    Total faulty logic..

    By any measure drugs are worse than guns..

    Any intelligent person has to agree.
     
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    Care to prove that?

    Im suggesting that the kid who gets called names for years then shoots himself is a victim of the first not the 2nd.
     
  19. CCitizen

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    I am 100% for keeping drugs illegal. My stance on tobacco is controversial -- I would have banned it.
     
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    I will try to find studies. Yes, extremism, violent action movies and tobacco advertisement can cause life losses.
     
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    If we value life more than freedom everything will be illegal
     
  22. CCitizen

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    I am prohibited by my therapist from using alcohol and tobacco due to my use of Effexor prescription medicine. I do not need freedom to harm myself.
     
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    I need the freedoms as provided by the constitution. Including the right to own , keep and carry guns.
     
  24. CCitizen

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    Unfortunately, "freedom" enjoyed by upper middle class means suicides of hundreds of thousands of people with severe mental disabilities.
     
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    Wrong.... suicides are not my fault and i bear no responsibility for the actions of others,
     

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