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  1. CCitizen

    CCitizen Well-Known Member

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    It's nothing compared to the many other ways people in the U.S. have died, and you don't seem to care about them do you?
     
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    Discounting suicides and gang/drug related crime gun death nearly go away.

    We have mental health and gang problems, not gun problems.
     
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    Also the fault of people who made guns available to those suffering mental disorders.
     
  7. CCitizen

    CCitizen Well-Known Member

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    All deaths are tragic. Most are not preventable.
     
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    So.... just going with your logic here... the millions and millions of minority babies aborted is then genocide?
     
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    Such a claim would require evidence that the firearm manufacturers, as well as the federally licensed firearm dealers, were deliberately engaged in the business of targeting those suffering from mental disorders for the purpose of selling firearms to them.

    If an individual has no record in the national instant check system, there is nothing that can be done.
     
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    Incorrect, the person obtaining the gun takes full responsibility for it's use, the sellers only obligation is to follow all applicable laws and regulations when transferring ownership.
     
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    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And neither are deaths by firearms, the majority of them being caused by people with mental issues and criminal activity, remove those two from society and the problem is solved without infringing on the rights of the law abiding.
     
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    Nope regardless of your condition you and only you are responsible for your actions.

    That's what's wrong with innocent by reason of insanity. It needs to be guilty but insane.
     
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    So everyone else should have to be punished because there are those who take their own life?
     
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    Lack of firearms is not a punishment.
     
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    CCitizen Well-Known Member

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    I disagree with eugenics 100%. All Lives are valuable.
     
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    Not deliberately, but more being criminally negligent.
     
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    It certainly is for those who want to exercise their 2A right and own a firearm
     
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    Except for when it is. Such as in the case of those who do need firearms for the purpose of their own defense, which is at a minimum one hundred thousand separate individuals every single year. Far more than the number of individuals who choose to end their own existence with a firearm.
     
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    How is criminal negligence in play when it comes to the legal purchasing of firearms? Explain such.

    Firearm manufacturers can only ship their products to those who have valid federal firearms licenses authorizing them to engage in the commercial sale of firearms to members of the public. The only individuals who firearms can legally be sold to are those who pass a background check by the national instant check system, which is maintained by the FBI. If a firearm is sold to anyone who fails a background check, it is a felony offense.

    Pray tell, where is the criminal negligence being referred to on the part of yourself, that is present on the part of either the firearm manufacturers, or the federally licensed firearm dealers?
     
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    Yes it is, such punishes the law abiding by rendering them defenseless.
     
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    You have disagreed with yourself, you claim all lives are valuable you you want to put the law abiding lives at risk by disarming them.

    That Sir is an oxymoron.
     
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    And the same would apply to yourself for wanting to disarm the law abiding, leaving them defenseless against criminals.
     
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    So you oppose abortion then?
     
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    And how to you propose to keep guns from criminals and the mentally challenged?
    As I have frequently noted in my posts, I was raised in a country having some of the most highly restricted gun laws in the world, but not only was building and trading zip guns by age of 8, but was daily carrying a Walther PPK well before the age of 10. That in a country where the security forces had no prohibitions to stop and frisk or invading and searching homes, both frequent events.
    Possession of a single round of ammo could result in lengthy sentences.
    Why did we take the risk? Being defenseless was higher risk than being caught and going to jail; to go to jail you had to be alive.
    The gun restrictions have increased, yet, if I returned, even today, I could acquire a gun within 24hrs of landing.
    Even today, in this country, the black market is alive and well, often following the same route as illegal drugs; guns often being necessary for traffickers protecting their market share.
    I’d have suggestions for reducing guns in the hands of criminals, but they would never be supported by liberals or the ACLU watchdogs.
     
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    It is if you need one.

    Lack of being able to speak your mind isn't a punishment.
     
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