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  1. M.A. Survivalist

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    That is irrelevant. You claim that having access to guns is necessary to commit suicide in most cases as other methods fail. The fact that the suicide rate in Japan surpasses that of the US and they don't have access to guns proves you wrong. The motivations behind committing suicide in Japan whether it be culture or whatever else doesn't matter. The point is, they're succeeding without guns.
     
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    So why should I have my gun rights infringed upon because of what somebody else might do to themselves with a gun?
     
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    Lives matter more than guns.
     
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    And I am not suicidal and I have no intent to harm other innocent people, so I will ask again, why should I have my gun rights infringed upon?
     
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    Incorrect. You can find other ways to defend yourself.
     
  6. M.A. Survivalist

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    The only really reliable counter to a gun is another gun.
     
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    Can you guarantee that your gun will never be used to commit suicide?
     
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    Yes
     
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    Shootouts between the good guys and bad guys is the solution? More lives will be saved if neither side has guns in the first place.
     
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    It is not necessary, but it makes "success" much more likely.
     
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    Than why have the Japanese been so successful without guns? It has nothing to do with culture, culture might be the reason why there is so much suicide in Japan but a culture isn't going to make guns or other methods any more or less effective.
     
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    I disagree, it has everything to do with culture. The Japanese culture is one of service and one that sees suicide as acceptable in the face of failure and perceived disgrace.
     
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    Not when the gun is used for lawful self defense.
     
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    Bullcrap, how is someone going to defend them self from an armed intruder, toss rocks at him or something, you need to get real and pull your head out of the anti-gunner sand it is buried in.
     
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    Which is a good thing as it lowers the chances they will survive an attempt and become even more of a burden on their friends, family and society in general.
     
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    Just as it is possible for yourself to find another means of communication other than the internet. Take up the lost art of letter writing and speaking in public.
     
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    They do not. Lives hold no intrinsic value to anyone unless they can be exploited for some type of gain.
     
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    It is possible for yourself to make the guarantee that no crime will ever be committed on the part of yourself at some point in the future?
     
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    The point is, just because people commit suicide because of culture doesn't make suicide without guns more effective. If you jump in front of a train, that will kill you just as easily as shooting yourself and whether you're doing it because of the culture of your country or not doesn't change how effective it will be.
     
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    Its only the good guys that will be affected by more laws on guns, bad guys don't follow laws.
     
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    How exactly would such be achieved? Explain such. Not merely the theoretical hypotheticals that do not account for unexplained developments within the real world that are not found within the sterile confines of circular thinking. Explain precisely what can be done to physically ensure that problematic individuals, such as convicted felons and others who hold no regard for human life, do not gain access to firearms they simply should not have? Not what will hypothetically make such less likely to occur, but what can actually prevent such from occurring.
     
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    It is horrible that many disabled people are seen as a burden. Thank G-d, my parents are humane.
     
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    Sadly that can not be guaranteed -- over 20,000 gun suicides a year take place in USA. This is a democide.
     
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    They are not seen as a burden, they are a burden, when all one does is take from others and never produce anything in return, that by definition is a burden.

    While your parents may be humane, they are truly burdened with the costs of maintaining your lifestyle, but if that is what they wish to do more power to them.

    Personally I could never do such to my parents or friends, I would find a way to take care of myself, no matter how painful or laborious it might be.
     

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