America has No Allies in a War with Iran!

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  1. JCS

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    Why is it that wherever white culture spreads, destruction & great suffering follows? Is there something in the DNA of white folks that creates this insatiable need to dominate & destroy other cultures, and also to plunder the resources of the land for profit? Native Americans even noted how the European settlers preferred to dig for gold than to learn how to grow food...and, they exhibited many unsavory habits, including a refusal to bathe or clean their teeth. These are the kind of people that founded this nation...which explains a lot.

    Research the accomplishments & legacy of the Persian empire...then compare that to how Europeans were living in that same period.

    And where did you read that Iran's top export is bombs??

    FYI...here's some of what Iran actually does:

    Iran's manufacturing industries
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Iran#Sectors
    Iran's major manufactured products are petrochemicals, steel and copper products. Other important manufactures include automobiles, home and electric appliances, telecommunications equipment, cement and industrial machinery. Iran operates the largest operational population of industrial robots in West Asia.[207] Other products include paper, rubber products, processed foods, leather products and pharmaceuticals. In 2000, textile mills, using domestic cotton and wool such as Tehran Patou and Iran Termeh employed around 400,000 people around Tehran, Isfahan and along the Caspian coast. Iran Khodro is the largest car manufacturer in the Middle-East. It has established joint-ventures with foreign partners on 4 continents.

    Impressive list of weapons that Iran develops domestically for its own defense
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_equipment_manufactured_in_Iran#Defense_production

    Iran's scientific accomplishments
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_technology_in_Iran
    Jaber Ibn Hayyan, the famous Iranian chemist who died in 804 at Tous in Khorasan, was the father of a number of discoveries recorded in an encyclopaedia and of many treatises covering two thousand topics, and these became the bible of European chemists of the 18th century, particularly of Lavoisier. These works had a variety of uses including tinctures and their applications in tanning and textiles; distillations of plants and flowers; the origin of perfumes; therapeutic pharmacy, and gunpowder, a powerful military instrument possessed by Islam long before the West. Jabir ibn Hayyan, is widely regarded as the founder of chemistry, inventing many of the basic processes and equipment still used by chemists today such as distillation.

    Accomplishments of Iran's space agency
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Space_Agency

    Iran's pharmaceutical industry
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Iran#Pharmaceuticals
    In 2006, 55 pharmaceutical companies in Iran produce more than 96 percent (quantitatively) of medicines on the market.
    Iran has produced a wide range of pharmaceuticals for the treatment of cancer, diabetes, infection and depression.
    Iranian researchers have developed 41 types of anti-cancer medications, overcoming the need for importing pricey cancer drugs from abroad (2011). There are also 24 additional biosimilar drugs which Iran plans to bring into production by end of 2012. Iran plans to become self-sufficient in biotech medicines production within 4 years.


    Telecommunications industry in Iran
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_in_Iran

    Iran's aviation industry
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Aviation_Industries_Organization

    Iran's nuclear program
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_program_of_Iran

    All these accomplishments (and more) come despite decades of heavy sanctions against Iran, plus a substantial & ongoing brain-drain.
    More than 150,000 Iranians left the Islamic Republic every year in the early 1990s, and an estimated 25% of all Iranians with post-secondary education then lived abroad in "developed countries" (according to the standards of the OECD). A report by the International Monetary Fund in 2009 indicated that Iran tops the list of countries losing their academic elite, with an annual loss of 150,000 to 180,000 specialists. It is equivalent to a capital loss of $50 billion. In addition, the political crackdown following the 2009 election protests is said to have created a "spreading refugee exodus" of elite Iranians. It has also been reported that CIA is running a covert operation codenamed "Braindrain Project" with the aim of luring away Iran's nuclear talent, thus undermining Iran's nuclear program.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_capital_flight_from_Iran
     
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    Wrong on so many levels. The bureaucratic state is beholden to no one rich or poor. It creates far more laws than Congress ever has. And most laws Congress passes merely direct it to create more. Please note Trump is the first president to even remotely buck the administrative. And please note it controls the information flow to Congress and the president and it is that information flow that by and large determines what they do internationally and to a slightly lesser extent at home. It is this to which Eisenhower cryptic warning was directed.
     
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    Well when you treat people like crap the smart ones boogie.
     
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    That’s how it works. A country with technological ability comes in and does the work for a profit. Otherwise, the oil stays in the ground.

    Iran was a pawn in the Cold War.
     
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    While Carter was president, and running for re-election, a delegation representing the Reagan campaign, met with an Iranian delegation and made an agreement. The Iranians had to hold the hostages until Reagan was sworn into office. The Hostages were released as he was being sworn in. Coincidence? I think not. The arms shipments began in 1981, a year before any hostages were taken in Lebanon.

    Israel was the middleman in the arms shipments. They publicly condemn Iran but willing profit off of selling arms to them.
     
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    America has no allies in a war with Iran?

    Well, we'll just crush them on our own, then...
     
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    At some point, you have to ask the real question about a post like this. What is the intent? Does it reflect the views of a foreign government being expressed by an agent on their behalf on a board like this? Does it reflect the views of say a US national party who are so desperate to cling to their narrative that the O'man brought "peace" through concession with terrorists? It's hard to say, but, frankly, this is repulsive, the narrative is uninformed, and it is the kind of statement that isn't designed to be unifying in a time of national need.
     
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    Iran funds terrorism throughout the Middle East, much of it from the billions Obama gave them.
     
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    It is in our DNA. White people began somewhere around where Denmark now is. The culture was once called the battle axe culture because it is the only culture to have had a battle axe as its weapon of choice. All over Northern Europe there are sites with thousands of remains of men killed in combat. The violence that is depicted in shows like the Game of Thrones, is what the archeological evidence of our culture, going back thousands of years, shows.
     
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    Imperialism ... ha!

    Europe is known for centuries of imperialism. The U.S.? No. We had the Phillipines for 45 years, then we let them go. We don’t seek territory.
     
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    Childish rambling delusions? I think you may be confusing Trump with Biden or Pelosi.
     
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    You come across as a Christian Soldier.
     
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    Show me a link for proof [not hearsay or speculation] that the Reagan transition team, PRIOR to Reagan taking office, made an arms deal with Iran with Israel being the middleman.

    Show me a link for proof [not hearsay or speculation] that the Reagan transition team was breaking the Logan Act and interfering with the Carter Administration's hostage negotiations PRIOR to Reagan taking office.

    All Reagan had to do was sit and do nothing while Carter was an injured, lame duck for Reagan to come through the transition looking like gold at his swearing in. The Carter administration was handling all things superbly for Reagan.

    The Iranians rubbed it in hard and deep on Carter, but released the hostages 30 minutes after Reagan took the oath due to fear.
     
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    Trump's problem is that he is unstable, and his actions speak much louder than his words, promises made on the campaign trail.
     
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    Do you remember what happened with the Iran-Contra fiasco?
     
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    Yup, but Iran-Contra all happened AFTER Reagan took office, none of it happened PRIOR to Reagan taking office. And Reagan or his transition team had nothing to do with the Iranian hostages in Tehran other than the fact the Iranians knew that Ronaldo Magnus would soon be taking office, and that the times they would be a'changin'.
     
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    The point is that the Repubs negotiated a deal with Iran so that their political opponent would look bad. What happens behind the scenes is never reported. One must learn to read between the lines.
     
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    They did none of that. Carter was bumbling so badly that only a complete idiot would have interfered.

    Links of proof please.
     
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    Wrong Trump's just fine it's the info he is getting that is the problem
     
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    Didn't happen. Lame conspiracy theory without a shred if evidence.
    Iran contra was weapons from the middle East to Nicaragua to support the contra guerillas vs the Sandinistas
     
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    So, exactly what is that has changed with American Foreign Policy - especially regarding the Middle East - with Trump?

    The West has always bend over for the US. Nothing has changed and nothing will change. Sadly.

    Obama was for peace? :laughing:

    So?

    Yes, tariffs are bad,

    What do you mean "when"? Iran's Foreign Minister has already come to terms with Trump and the situation is, as expected, de-escalating.

    Iran cannot afford a war with America because their whole nation would be turned into ashes within days and furthermore, Iran is way to dependent on trade to have sanctions pulled on them and would not benefit from having military ships in the Hormuz Strait.

    Trump has, relatively speaking, been a fairl pro-peace president, just as he promised. But, since when has the government ever cared about what the Americans think when it comes to going to war? Since when was an American President not a warmongerer?

    No, you loonie. Stop listening to the press - There won't be a war. You can be calm.

    Very cute dropping the name Sun Tzu to prove that you read. :)

    There will not be a war. There will not be a war. There will not be a war. There will not be a war. There will not be a war. There will not be a war.

    American business as usual.

    I hope you are prinicpled and consistent enough to have been this hysterical under Obama's escapades in the Middle East as well. But, I doubt it. You are a fanboy who does not care about anything as long as your team is in charge.

    Absolutely disgusting.
     
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    LOL, that's what they said about Dubya.
     
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    Well duh...who's pretending Iran's regime is a bouquet of sunshine? The Iranian people are very progressive, very resourceful, and aren't fond of their leaders either. But at the same time, when they look at their neighbors and see the devastation perpetrated upon them by the brutal U.S./Western imperialist policies, they don't want to relinquish the dignity & independence of Iran, nor the strength of its leadership towards Western influence & regional dominance.

    Just imagine where other nations, including Iran, would be today if not a single one of them ever had to contend with the U.S./Western (and Israeli) globalist agenda.
     
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    Which should give you reason to think there might be some truth it to especially given that Obama didn't act any differently.
     
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