We Were "This Close" Says Iran

Not true.

They simply don’t have the capacity to do so. And Mister Trump would take off the gloves, unlike previous presidents. It would have been a one sided beat down.

Iran knows this and thus wisely stood down. Before they were smashed beyond recognition.

 

Everything I wrote is true. And those who count know it too.

Iran stood down? After it had been warned, both publicly by Trump and privately through a note sent to Iran, that any attack by Iran against any US assets, including any US bases, would bring about "massive retaliation"? It stood down by sending, not one, but several waves of missiles smashing into one of the largest US bases in the region? Causing substantial damage to the base, never mind over 100 US servicemen who have been diagnosed with traumatic brain injury (several dozen of whom are being treated in Germany and the US for over a month after the attacks?) It stood down just because Trump claimed, after those strikes, that there was 'little damage' done and "no one was harmed"?

Iran sent a clear message to the US and the US received that message. If no fatalities were suffered, it was truly due to 'sheer luck'. Even with most of the US troops in the base sitting in their bunkers, there were others who could have easily been killed. Don't take my word for it: go and listen to the chairman of the joints chiefs of staff of the US military on this issue.

As far as would happen in a war with Iran, those who count, know it already. In fact, Iran was ready to go all out. Its forces were all on alert with hundreds of missiles ready to be launched against the US, if the US had responded to Iran's attack. These are facts that no amount of spin and propaganda can change. And besides those missiles, the US military knows all the other means Iran has to take out many of its forces, key installations in the region, and much more, in case of a war. None of what I say on this issue is a secret. It can be read in the kind of journals which air the analysis and views of real experts from the US military, not the propaganda and bluster that you may hear on FOX and company.

I have been through this argument here before. I had this argument when the Aramco facilities in Saudi Arabia were in flames and various 'pundits' were imagining that the US would attack Iran in response. I had this argument when the US drone was shot down by Iran. I had this argument even before Trump was president and some people imagined that once Trump is president, Iran would be 'cowed' by US threats. Iran knows the leverage it has and so does the US. Of course, Iran is also quite aware of the damage the US can do in a war and it won't be Iran to push things beyond a point of no return, unless the US leaves Iran no choice. But threats aren't going to work with Iran. If they were going to work, they would have worked long before now.

 

Listen bub, it's sheer luck your country isn't flattened right now. If your ignorant-ass islamo-nazi leaders launched a war against Americans in the region, Trump would obliterate the 'supreme leader's' headquarters first, along with every nuclear facility and every refinery. Trump starts at the top and works his way down. If you think your leaders could hide in a mosque, you are mistaken.

If not for American technology, you people would still be living in mud huts....just tribes roaming deserts...and chunking rocks. You STOLD all the means and manufacturing for oil production from private enterprises.

 

Yes they stood down. When your sending notes thru the Swiss that “we are done” after a weak face saving reprisal attack, you stood down.

The U.S. military unleashed without overzealous rules of engagement (i. e. Trump) would roll over Iranian forces. Shock and Awe 2.0 without the guardrails. The air and sea would be fully controlled by U.S. forces. If it turned into a land campaign the Iranian forces would crack just as the Iraqi forces did under the weight of the military power they face. I

No one is saying American forces would not take casualties, they would. But to say the Iranians would stand toe to toe with the U..S. Military in conventional warfare is just uninformed bluster.

Iran is a terrorist state, they terrorize their own people and export terror to other parts of the world. They are very good at that. What they are not is a world class conventional military power. The U.S. is the world class conventional military power bar none. No other country in Earth can project conventional military power like the U.S., Iran knows that. They wanted no part of that. It’s not tough talk or bluster it’s just fact.

 

I am not interested in exchanging labels about Iran and use Iran's labels for the US as a substitute for reasoned arguments or facts. And as far as "uninformed bluster", I am in no mood right now to inform you about these things. I have done it before on this form, in detail, with all the relevant facts, expert analysis, including from the top echelon of the US military. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what you think. What matters is that the US knew better than to carry out its threats once Iran did, in fact, strike the US base in Iraq with a salvo of missiles, the same way it has known better than carry out many other direct threats in the past.

 

Our top generals aren't terrorists.

 

This is a 'sanitized' version of how Iran 'stood down'. It is based on the comments from the commander of the US base struck by Iran after the US finally allowed journalists to talk to US servicemen in the base, but still before the ever expanding revelations about US troops being flown to Germany, Kuwait and the US for treatment.

https://www.spacedaily.com/reports/...le_Irans_missile_attack_on_Iraq_base_999.html
'Surviving was a miracle': Iran's missile attack on Iraq base
By Maya Gebeily
Ain Al-Asad Air Base, Iraq (AFP) Jan 13, 2020

 

In no mood to prove your point, yet in the mood to reply to say your not in the mood...got it

Kind of like the Iranian response to their terrorist general becoming jello.

 

The message delivered to Iran by the US before Iran retaliated stated, in effect, that if Iran hit any US assets or attacked any US base, the US would in fact target Iran's Supreme Leader as well. In response, Iran's Supreme Leader made it a point to personally oversee and command the retaliation by Iran in the missile strike against the Al Asad air base. Whether he would be taken out or not in a war with Iran, or what would happen to the countless US officials that would be similarly exposed to attacks by Iran, is not what will decide the outcome of a war against Iran. Defeating Iran isn't accomplished taking out a single individual and certainly not a frail, 80 year old, cleric.

I can't help the fact that you are totally ignorant about Iran, its history and where it is now or where it has been in the past. But here are some pictures to show you things Iran was building, and which you can still visit in Iran, almost all of it dating back from when America didn't even exist. And if you want, I can then go down the list of the countless ways Iran, and Persian scholars, both from the past and down to the present, have charted many of the things which allowed for the advanced you seem so proud of.

 

Well to be fair some aspects of Iran are still in ancient times, the treatment of women and homosexuals, child brides etc...their desire as a nation to be taken seriously by the rest of the world won’t happen until they are able to civilize themselves in this regard.

 

I am sorry, but whatever you think you know about Iran, is simply a product of the constant propaganda you are exposed to. If can help dispel some of the propaganda, but ultimately, you need to visit and see Iran for yourself. You will discover it isn't what you have been told.






p.s.
A sample of non-too politicized news from Iran.
https://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/humanoids/iran-surena-iv-humanoid-robot
13 Feb 2020 | 19:15 GMT
Iran Unveils Its Most Advanced Humanoid Robot Yet
Surena IV is an adult-size humanoid robot built by University of Tehran researchers

 

I’ve no desire to go to iran until they join the modern world in human rights. The way my wife and daughters would be treated there is criminal and unacceptable to me. The way my gay relatives would be treated is criminal and unacceptable. Yet perfectly acceptable in Iran....

I’ve no doubt of the cultural and historical beauty of the country, but it means nothing in the face of how they treat people.

 

Until you actually visit Iran, you won't know if what you believe about it is true or not. If you like and are truly interested, I will tell you the actual facts about Iran, whether regarding the status of women or treatment of gays or anything else. Much of what you have been told are simply lies. That which isn't totally false or lies, is often totally misleading. Ultimately, Iran isn't at all what you imagine it to be.

 

No thanks. I’m secure in what i know.

 

Fine with me.

 

Fighting Western/Jewish Neocon military dominance is not “terrorism.” It only is when one side stupidly thinks that they are the “good guys.”

 

Makes sense, as America is probably the most morally and economically degenerate country in the world. I can’t think of anywhere else where it’s ever-so-easy for a girl who just turned 18 to be filmed getting gang-banged by a dozen men.

 

Iran and the world understand that the Trump administration is a reflection of “political trailer trash;” so yes, they just act accordingly.

 

You're saying that it's better to support the terrorists, as we were doing to keep the war and the killings going on, instead of fighting them and freeing Syria the way the Iranians did?

To me that's rooting for dominance over others, and not for the betterment of mankind. You know that before WWI we were adamantly against absolute monarchs under the belief that they were the cause of all wars. Then before WWII we were adamantly against dictators with the belief that they were the cause of all wars and that democracy was the only way to go. Looks like we were wrong both times.

Now we're against Russia and Syria even though they're democracy's, since they're not 'liberal' democracies. It's the new way to go, and yet absolute monarchs like Saudi Arabia are okay. You figure!

 

Trump puts America first, kinda his job.

Whats wrong with people who live in trailers?

 

Legal age adults filming what they choose to film vs men beating women legally and with the acceptance of society. That is the comparison you want?

Speaks for itself.

 

It’s terrorism.

 

That's not the same ring, so why the propaganda? As for terrorism, I thought the terrorists that have been killing 300 Christians a day are Sunnis not Shias?

As for killing Americans, I know that everyone feels for their own, so just imagine how the Iraqis who were told not to leave Mosul because we had precision bombs must feel? And especially after we had demolished their city and killed thousands of innocents? Seems like blood lust to me.


Pre US bombing:




After US bombing:

 

Nothing- it’s simply the case that trailer trash exhibit particular mannerisms that most of the world finds disagreeable. Indeed, Mr. Trump may be a “successful” individual, but his roots are nevertheless white trash, hence his conduct.

 

Typical; you’re not willing to admit that the US has a “moral debauchery” problem.