Tracking the COVID-19-Virus in Germany, the USA, Italy and other hot spots in the world

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  1. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Shutdown the US in mid March. Restart the economy using the three phase plan with gating requirements. QED.
     
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    And herd immunity is increasing all the time just as it is in Sweden. Now that the US is opening up the rate of increase in herd immunity will increase.
     
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    I don't believe a epidemiologist told Trump; "Our 15 confirmed cases will go down to near zero"

    BY THE WAY;

    Here's a smart response;

    Joint statement on one new case of COVID-19 in British Columbia

    Feb 29, 2020

    Number of confirmed cases; 7, SEVEN, only 7 confirmed cases

    “While the risk of spread of COVID-19 within British Columbia remains low at this time, we continue to focus efforts on containing and delaying the spread of transmission, as well as preparing for the possibility of a pandemic. A pandemic is the spread of an illness to a large number of people on a global scale.

    https://archive.news.gov.bc.ca/

    In other words;

    ALTHOUGH THE RISK OF SPREAD OF COVID19 WITHIN BRITISH COLUMBIA REMAINS LOW, WE ARE PREPARING FOR THE POSSIBLITY OF A PANDEMIC.

    ---------------------
     
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    Should said cover up be immediately investigated by BOTH Chambers of Congress?
     
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    You are not getting it.
    Death is not the real problem, its the health problems this virus leaves behind, organ damage, nerve system damage etc.
    Its not about dieing, its about the problems you have in the future, because of what the virus did to your body.
    You have a more advanced case, the rest of your live, you are fooked.
     
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    And Fauci was saying at that very time that the US had nothing to worry about with regard to the corona virus. Trump went with Fauci.
     
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    It's being investigated by all countries devastated by the corona virus. The US, UK, and the EU are leading the way. Surely you know this ???
     
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    Okay. You told me to look at the death data again, which is what I did.
     
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    At 15 confirmed cases;

    "Within a couple days, it will go down to near zero"

    HARD TO BELIEVE considering the fact;

    British Columbia's health officials were preparing for a possible pandemic when they only had 7 confirmed cases.

    Why?

    Due to the fact their first 7 confirmed cases led to approx. 1,000 contact tracing/sample testing, and subsequently, many among them were hospitalized.
     
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    Why should those people not fear getting sick by this virus?

    You are not explaining why lagging indicator is inaccurate. Here are several experts explaining why death is a lagging indicator:

    https://www.axios.com/fauci-coronavirus-glimmers-of-hope-12db73f7-ded4-43db-9d3c-87afea5e756d.html

    https://www.cnbc.com/video/2020/04/...or-of-coronavirus-crisis-severity-expert.html


    https://www.physiciansweekly.com/hardest-day-new-yorks/

    https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/6/20-0320_article


    https://fortune.com/2020/02/13/covid-19-deaths-rising-coronavirus-outbreak/
     
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    Once again, should the CDC cover up be immediately investigated by BOTH Chambers of Congress?

    A simple yes or no
     
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    I miss spoke I am sorry.
    I meant cases, because they are more important because of the damage the virus does.
     
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    I decided a few weeks ago that if I were hospitalized, the first thing I would do would be to sign any required paperwork to say "Do not intubate me or put me on a ventilator." From what I gather, the most severe permanent damage is in patients who are intubated. At the point they put someone on a vent, that person has probably already suffered permanent organ damage and are crashing.

    Mild cases should recover almost completely with time.
     
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    No, that's -not- experts explaining anything, they are misusing a term. Regardless of what media dumbasses say on the net or the TV, it's still incorrect, they use extraneous, inaccurate verbiage to make themselves sound more intelligent and knowledgeable than they are. Pick any old phrase, and I can find media using it incorrectly, but you already know that.

    You looked for a definition, realized it doesn't fit, so instead spammed the above links when you should have just dropped it. Why do you folks do this stuff constantly? It seems to come with your politics and worldview somehow, this "biting off more than you can chew" and then going on and on and on past the bitter end.

    But anyway. A "lagging indicator" is an indicator of something that may or may not occur in the future, and MIGHT occur, IF IT DOES occur, to some UNKNOWN degree, that is what is meant by an INDICATOR. It INDICATES, it doesn't DETERMINE or DEFINE. A straightforward arithmetic operation, A x Z = D is not indicative of anything, making any attempt to take quantities like contagion %, death toll and "lethality" and multiply them together NOT an indicator, just plain old MATH.
     
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    You OMB guys are hilarious.
     
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    What CDC cover up ???
     
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    I have that since years, after a horrible accident, which should have me killed.
    The very mild cases have no damages, low and medium, how ever you want to classify, end up with internal and even neurological damages.
    Its not the deaths I am worried about, they are bad, very bad, but every time somebody has to stay in the hospital, they end up with severe future problems.
    If you end up with 100,000 people in a hospital, not on a ventilator, you end up with that many people, who probably will have long term effects because of what the virus did to their body.

    It is my opinion, that this is the most important point. Because it will create a future health problem, or if the virus or any virus comes back, we will have hundrets of thousands of people, millions possible who are damaged goods at young and medium age, because of c19
     
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    Fortunately, they probably had a lot of contact with each other.
    That's a lot of cases for one day.
    Quarantining a city is a dramatic event in a democratic society. But it is important for politicians act decisively when necessary. They have been pretty good in Canada about acting quickly, but not so good in much of the U.S.
    What about it shocked you? That it had become necessary? That the government did it? Were you already convinced we were going to have a corona virus pandemic? Had you decided what government should do?
    How do you explain this two months later?
     
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    Well, if an epidemiologist/pandemic expert told Trump; "Within a couple days, our 15 cases will go down to near zero", then;

    "who told Trump" was covering up the truth,

    or

    "who told Trump" is very incompetent, and should be fired,

    or

    "no one told trump", thus, just another false hope

    Which is it?
     
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    The OMB guys are hilarious. Which 15 cases was he talking about ??? Have those people all recovered ??? Have you actually read the February 27th transcript ???
     
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    It follows that the way the jail works should take that into account.
    We shall see soon enough when we look at how it killed healthy people.
     
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    That is absolutely false. Dr. Fauci repeatedly and explicitly said that the US should be worried about the situation potentially changing even if the current risk was still low.
     
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    You do not honestly believe that the CDC told Trump to say that the virus would go away one day like a miracle, that it would go away in April, or that the cases would very quickly go from a dozen to zero.

    And that last one is especially true given that when Trump said it, the number of US cases was already north of 40.
     
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    ...you are not seriously trying to argue that "just plain old math" is incapable of indicating something, are you?

    Jesus man. Find me a single expert or scientist that agrees with you that death is not a lagging indicator. You said you could find "media using it incorrectly," so find me an example of someone saying - incorrectly, mind you - that death is not a lagging indicator.

    Hell, find me a single expert or scientist that agrees with any position you have taken regarding Covid-19. Or, be a man, own up to the fact that you are holding yourself as the one true expert in this field. Perhaps you could, as the only expert, enlighten us on what you believe is the actual mortality rate of this virus and what you believe is the correct number of deaths in the US and what you believe is the true infection rate in the US.
     
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    You OMB guys are hilarious. Have you actually read the February 27th transcript ?? Too funny.
     

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