Unmarked Feds in Portland Kidnapping Protesters

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  1. Creasy Tvedt

    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    So no names then.

    See, I told you I was psychic.

    If they're being returned, then they're not "disappeared" now are they?
     
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    I said 'dissappearing in the US is no new thing'. I did not say that the people in Portland had not been returned so quit trying to bait making things up. From how you describe these people calling them 'rats' what I said may not be the situation for long.
     
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    True to CNN form - they blame parties and a small one time protest against government overreach for coronavirus spread. Not a peep in here though about the daily riots and protests happening in large groups spreading covid. It is almost surreal the lefty denial of the most obvious fact that any sane person with functioning eyeballs and rational thought can determine.
     
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    Baby steps. They have to dole out reality a crumb at a time lest they offend tender sensibilities with large helpings of unpalatable truths.
     
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    If I didn't know better, I'd think that the Fed.s simply decided to invade peaceful Portland for no reason other than to kidnap local citizens and brutalize "peaceful" protesters.

    Which came first?

    The arson and wanton destruction of other people's property by crazed mobs of traveling, well funded rioters...

    Or...

    The Fed.s
     
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    Washington has a lot of experience with so called peaceful protests aka riots, since they helped fund so many in foreign countries. If they're kidnapping protesters, it's to find out who the leaders are and who is is backing them - as if we didn't know?


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    A lot of the protesters that have been detained were quickly released without any charges against them.

    I'll bet at least a few of them spilled their guts.

    I'll bet that's making certain somebodies very, very nervous.
     
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    Riot Budget; Does anyone else wonder at how much it costs to come to Portland and riot for "social justice" for just a week?
    The following is a conservative and very rough estimate of what most rioters spent to come to Portland just to riot for one week:

    $150- Transportation to & from Portland
    $560- Hotel (7days @ $80- per night
    $420- Food. ($20- per meal, 3 meals per day X 7 days
    $350- Rioting accessories: spray paint, batteries for bull horn, leaf blowers and fuel, steel cutting tools with blades & discs, gas masks,
    poster material
    $1,480-

    What have I left out?

    My point is that it's not cheap or generally within the means of everyday Moms, Veterans or everyday citizens to travel to another city and participate in a riot that, now, has nothing to do with George Floyd or racial justice.
    Somebody or some group is paying for people with little to do to simply destroy other people's property and torment Portland's residents.
     
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    Not by those people at that time. There was no reason to sic the police on those demonstrators.
     
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    Barr admitted at the hearing or whatever you call it when he was questioned for 4 hours by your Representatives that the intention to move people from the area was made the night before. He claimed they had the right to attack the people because they were told if they did not move that would happen. I heard another Judge saying last night that that was one of the things he would regret saying as he had no right to do that. Simply telling someone you are going to punch them in the face if they do not leave the room does not allow you to punch them if they do not.
     
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    IOW, I didn't slam Seattle or Portland. You were making it up.
     
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    That sounded like a slam.

    You pretty much said that Seattle and Portland are hives of violent anarchists.

    I agree with you.
     
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    I typically limit my quote to what I'm commenting on.
     
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    And how would anyone know that they weren't going to burn down the Church?
     
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    Peaceful protesters are not "human waste." People who burn, loot, and attack police should be arrested and prosecuted, as I have said already.

    Portland and Seattle are capable of dealing with their own problems.
     
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    I don't know, but there was no evidence they were intending to torch the church.
     
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    Rioters aren't protesting. You could have used "or" instead of "and," but that wouldn't have linked the two groups together.
     
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    How people see something is relevant to how they deal with it.
    Trump has utterly failed to lead in those areas where his actions count. He alone had the power to force the production of PPE, and instead of pressuring governors to open prematurely, he could have supported those governors who waited because of CDC guidelines.
     
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    In 1942 the Nazis mascaraed the people of the town of Lidice in retribution for the assassination' of a high ranking Nazi. In had a less favorable opinion of response some US towns changed their name to Lidice. That was at a time when Americans had a much less favorable opinion of fascism than we find in Trump America today. Overwhelming revenge is the very ethos of Trumpism.
     
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    Yes. I think Trump is trying to change the channel to anything but COVID-19 because of this disastrous situation...

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    We will. Teachers' unions that can't or won't protect their members aren't worth supporting. There's way too much virus around in our big cities to put kids in school. I think many communities can have at least modified instruction.
     
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    George Soros revealed to have funded DA’s who now oppose police in American cities. I personally see the same mind set being used by George Soros and his 'Trotsky' comrades in Washington, as was used in the Russian revolution. The revolution threw Russia's economy back 20 years, tens of millions were killed - mostly Christians, while the people suffered enslavement for 70 years.

    "..it appears that George Soros is very careful and cunning in his work, using his money to fund the election of people who are essentially “plants” purposed to support the coup d’etat that globalist elites are waging against President Trump and what may be the last gasp of the conservative nationalist populist movement. At least it will be if these people win..."

    "....Soros programs helped get some of these crazy District Attorneys into office, like for example the St Louis circuit attorney who wants to press charges against the Missouri couple for protecting their own home while BLM marchers trespassed on their property and threatened to destroy their house.."

    https://theduran.com/george-soros-r...das-who-now-oppose-police-in-american-cities/
     
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    Contact tracing has repeatedly shown otherwise.
    There are reasonable inferences we can draw from new case loads.

    https://time.com/5861633/protests-coronavirus/

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/protests-probably-didnt-lead-to-coronavirus-spikes-but-its-hard-to-know-for-sure/2020/06/30/d8179678-baf5-11ea-8cf5-9c1b8d7f84c6_story.html
    How about something other than declarative statements from you?

    https://www.vox.com/2020/5/8/21251899/coronavirus-long-term-effects-symptoms
    I'm talking about the number of new cases because that's driving a lot of public reaction. People don't want to get sick or risk giving it to a vulnerable family member or friend.
    So, you say, but it's a free country and people who disagree with you are going to influence the situation. If we don't get the virus under control, people are going to pull back spending even further.
    Not sure how to stop it.

    British Columbia had big protests, but the organizers encouraged social distancing, wearing masks, and wore masks themselves. There were no new cases, day after day, in Vancouver during the heavier protests. No cases.

    Still, I saw protests where people didn't socially distance or wear masks. My reaction at the time was to think they were no better than the protesters trying to get governors of various states to open the economy.

    As an economist, I can tell you we are on the cusp of a nasty recession--or worse. We need to get the new case count down.

    We dropped one-third of our GDP in 2Q. Here's how Australia is doing...

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    They dropped 7.5%--far less than us. Why? Because the Aussies got the new case count down and then opened up.
     
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    Did lowering the new cases save their economy or was it opening up?
     

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