Culture of Shootings , "Thoughts and Prayers" But No Solutions

Certainly, so do you and so does anyone. The only good reason is to keep oneself from harm. What, do you think people ever have the right to shoot or kill someone for any other reason?

 

Based upon the post on this forum, it does seem many have missed it. They all talk about getting rid of guns but none talk about changing the Constitution.

Those are not my words. You have me confused with someone else.

You might be older but I would bet my house you have not seen more of the world than I have.

But if I am wrong give a list of the 38 states you think would vote to give up their right to bear arms.

It would not cure American violence, it would just change the tool used.

I am telling you that it will not happen. I am a pragmatist, I deal in reality not wishful thinking.

And again it does not cure American violence. Last week two people caught a man on fire, no guns involved but plenty of violence.

As I said, I prefer to deal in reality, not in "what ifs". My purpose is to bring reality to topic.

 

The dud was mentally ill. His brother said he was nuts and they had been trying to get him help for years. Maybe before we try to take away the rights of people who had nothing to do with this, we start taking a hard look at the laws and policies that vest insane people with rights to roam the streets.

 

Understand me now. We agree that curing social problems is the best remedy to stop crime in all its forms. Correct? But if we cannot bring political corruption to its knees (and finally cure the nation of all/most crime) then banning guns (on its own) will make murder more difficult. You can climb Mt. Everest but how many people actually have the guts and stamina to do it?

 

Or the policies that cause mental illness in the first place. I don't think most are born that way.

 

Not every problem has a solution.

 

There is the real fix right there... bringing political corruption to its knees. Lol, you're going to get me opening up whole new cans of worms with that discussion. The division and conflict caused by political corruption fuels all other problems in this country.

 

I don't know that there are policies that cause schizophrenia. That almost always happens in late teens and early 20's. This may not be that different than the naked guy running around a couple years ago after killing his mom, sister, and sister's infant. He went from functioning college student to too nuts to even stand trial in record time.

 

most are.

 

There are not policies that cause schizophrenia, but certainly policies can help those who have schizophrenia. My daughter has schizophrenia, and she has been able to live a very stable and happy life with proper care, with good grades and a good social life. There have been some difficulties, but nothing that proper care and love cannot get through. I agree though, if they are dangerous, special precautions are needed, but they should not be locked away and forgotten. Government policies can help with all of this, or make it far worse.

 

Mental health services in the US, or lack thereof. Believe it or not the average human IS NOT hardwired to kill another human, the military has been aware of that fact for decades and made many studies of it. People who are capable of acts such as this, for the most part give off warning signs like sirens which are ignored because, lets face it, people don't want to get involved or consider it none of their business. The banning and/or mass confiscation of firearms in THIS country is a pipe dream, period. If one could snap their fingers and have all firearms magically disappear overnight these deranged, broken individuals would still be among us. And when they decided to go on a rampage of murder and mayhem, in a closed crowded area, like stores, schools, theaters, bars, etc., they could do damn near as much damage with the old Roman gladius, a short stabbing sword, just have expend more energy in doing so. Blaming firearms alone for these tragedies while ignoring the dismal state of mental health services and facilities in this country is like blaming cavities on candy bars while ignoring basic dental hygiene.

 

Actually that'd put you that much farther from ever addressing the problem. Because the problem isn't the liberty or gun. It's the person and how they are raised. Your solution is to bury it, ignore it and never let it see the light of day. Meanwhile the corruption will continue. I suspect that your procrastination and ignoring of problems is probably the same reason this declination of society has reached the level it has. Now you want to bury it some more. While that may be par for your course, tempting as it may be, it is not the right course.

 

Just as I said. Same thing with the Atlanta shooter. He too had been trying to get help, but was not able to. They sent him to rehab with heroin addicts.

 

Not the US. Not the American people. Not our culture.

Deflecting to other countries is just a distraction...

Are you telling me the militaries in those countries don't have standards, exemptions, etc.?

You'll have to be more specific...

I did.

And what facilitated this, again?

The social welfare programs enacted in the 1960s...

Nothing is the same everywhere, most particularly human beings.

As for what our welfare was designed to do, intentions aren't what concern us - it's outcomes, and as Senator Moynihan stated the outcome of the welfare programs his colleagues were enacting would and did produce the results he predicted - crime, violence, unrest and disorder. Perhaps, I'm giving Moynihan's colleagues more credit than they deserve - I'm assuming they weren't evil - but I don't believe they designed those programs to facilitate the marginalization of fathers and the destruction of the nuclear family in some communities but it did. I also find it hard to believe that they designed their programs to create a population that the economies in their communities could not support, turning many to crime, and that they would be creating a permanent welfare class, but again maybe I'm giving them too much credit.

As for the media, you shouldn't have to be a communications professional such as myself to see the influence it has had on our people and society but perhaps I'm as wrong about that as I am wrong about the intentions of the people who created our failed social welfare programs. However, I don't think it can be disputed that people have LARPed the violence the media has peddled, normalized and glorified, and I think it has had a corrosive effect on our entire society and culture.

 

We're never going to make landing on Mars a constitutional right connected to a fundamental, natural right, either.

Apples to apples and all...

 

The military is a complicated, expensive and dangerous solution to the problem of protecting ourselves in the world. It nowadays requires trained and skilled personnel who can be trusted with extremely costly and hazardous machinery. It is not a giant summer camp for wayward people. I do not want scamps and ne'er do wells to be armed and trained to cause mayhem and have never understood why some conservatives see the military as a solution to the problem of recalcitrant people or untrained youth.

If you think that temporarily enslaving problematic youth will somehow reform them at least don't give them a rifle.

Moynihan was a corrupt and stupid old POS who couldn't understand why you sometimes can't solve every societal problem by saying the world never changes and throwing money at them. Nobody sees any of his precepts as valid anymore.

 

Who sez?

That's what I'm saying.

 

CNN, MSNBC, et all have been screaming for a day that "white man" shoots up grocery... Turns out the shooter is...drum roll...... Syrian. Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa, of Arvada, near Denver, is accused of opening fire Monday afternoon at the King Soopers store in the university city of Boulder, killing people ranging in age from 20 to 65, authorities said. Oops.

Our prayers to the victims of this immigration experiment gone wrong. Thanks Joe for your administrations neglect. I suspect that once again, likely federal authorities will have been warned, flagged that this person must have been identified and yet nothing done to protect the nation. Time will tell, but there are several examples of this previously.

 

We're not addressing the Republicans here

 

That's where the issue lies. You don't have the right to 'red flag' someone, and neither do I. It's a hazardous direction to head in, and being that rights are not something we can take away on judgement, then the expected exclamations of 'gun control' are for effect.

 

Do you assume anyone without an "American" name is an immigrant?

how long ago did he come here?

 

Turns out he came here when he was 2 during the Admin of GW...and you still found a way to blame Biden!

Well ****ing done!

Two MAGA points for you!

 

No they really aren't. The shooter that shot and killed the 10 people and and include the police officer. is a total jerk and that's what I think of him.

 

Biden calls for banning assault weapons, tightening background searches in wake of Colorado shooting that killed 10

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...after-back-back-n1261797?cid=eml_nbn_20210323

Will see how far this actually goes.

 

Will be forgotten in a week.

And no background check would have flagged this guy as he had not done anything wrong prior to this.