World’s ‘solar and wind capital’ freezing due to snow ‘blanketing millions’ of solar panels

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  1. truth and justice

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    The only thing demonstrated was that wind exceeded expectations by over double
     
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    Steady performance over time creates the expectation. Sorry, but you can't "semanticize" your way out of this.
     
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    Absolute rubbish, there is no way that the failure of turbines could trigger the coal and gas stations to fail. What a ridiculous notion.
    The whole point of maintaining coal and gas is to supplement wind when it stops producing.

    Yes I understand that was the point, it was stupid as has been shown. My question is, was in necessary to cut the wires to create the 'air gap' when it is quite possible to disconnect your demand from the grid without physically cutting the wires.
    Europe is miles ahead of you caveman. We have interconnection so if the wind blows one place and the sun shines another we can all get the benefit, and guess what the wind is always blowing somewhere and the sun shines everyday somewhere as well. I swear America is going backwards.
     
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    Unsubtle difference between "Was counted on for" and "Accounted for"
     
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    Are you claiming that Texas power companies were so certain wind would provide a constant min 20% that they shut down other capacity to that level?
    Each time you paint a picture it makes them look ever more stupid.
     
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    A difference without a distinction.
     
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    It is the story told by their investments.
     
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    Sure.

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    Europe’s Near Electricity Black Friday Was Triggered In France Due To “Polar Cold Wave”
    By P Gosselin on 12. January 2021

    A further analysis of last Friday’s European near power blackout shows that the problem had begun already one day earlier in France, due to cold weather, says a German expert. At wind energy protest group Vernunftkraft Bayern, Jörn Künzle provides background on what was behind Europe’s near blackout last Friday, January 8, 2021. We recently […]

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    German Electricity Prices Soar, Now Most Expensive In Europe …Taxes, Green Surcharges Make Up 53.6% Of Price!
    By P Gosselin on 6. October 2020

    Thanks to the Energiewende (transition to green energies), which is tantamount to a vegan energy diet, Germany’s electricity prices have soared 27% over the past decade to become the most expensive in Europe, if not the world, according to the STROM-REPORT. Source: Infografik “Strompreise in Europa 2020”, STROM-REPORT.de, Creative Commons License CC-BY-ND Taxes, surcharges and […]
     
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    "Wind was operating almost as well as expected"... A Texas-sized Energy Lie

    • Renewable energy is why Texas has less natural gas and coal capacity than it would have had otherwise.
    • Frozen wind turbines are why coal-fired power plants were operating at >90% of capacity from February 9-14 and natural gas power plants were operating at 70% to more than 80% of capacity from February 11-14.
    • Wind farms aren’t the main cause of the Texas blackouts because most of them had already been knocked offline by freezing temperatures and ice… Nearly a week before the blackouts!
     
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    Yes. Cyber defense required the physical air gap.
     
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    As has been pointed out, you clearly don't demobstrate that you understand what "counted on" means. In any case, wind energy isn't "counted on" for anything in a particular day above a few GWh.
     
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    Then your grasp on English has slipped.
     
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    Great points!
     
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    You do know that you can get heating element for wind turbines don't you?
     
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    When you gentlemen descend to personal insults you degrade your arguments.
     
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    No insult was intended, merely encouragement for you to re-look at meaning of the words "Counted on". Which mean 'relied on' or 'depended on'
    As compared to 'accounted for' which implies no expectation of a result. .
     
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    Powered by? I’m all in for an all of the above energy plan. I don’t oppose wind and solar power. I don’t worship them either. We don’t need to disrupt our economy by phasing out coal, oil, and natural gas before their replacements are economically viable. Nuclear and Hydro power are good too.
     
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    Sorry you think that way, but when asked to back up your "counted on" claim, you didn't seem to understand the meaning in your reply.
     
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    Coal is getting phased out by natural gas as a primary energy source. NG is just cleaner and more efficient. We just have to make sure supply lines are protected.
     
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    The wind turbine, a tiny amount of the power produced.
    There is no need to worship them, they are inanimate objects. But they are a very good way of producing electricity out of nothing without producing pollution.
    We do need to phase out coal and oil to slow global warming and climate change.
    And even if you don't believe we are changing the climate by our actions you should be impressed that man uses his ingenuity to come up with ever new ways to fill humanities needs.
    Imagine clean limitless energy generated almost anywhere it is needed.
    The only people who could object are those with a vested interest in the old systems.
     
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    I understand that. There is some coal that burns as cleanly as natural gas but it’s rare and there is tech to make coal plants more friendly but that makes them more expensive than natural gas. Our coal is cleaner than most on earth and by exporting it to the 3rd world while they make the transition to developed nation status can help too. Fracking natural gas is the key to both a strong economy and energy independence
     
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    The difference isn't in the coal, but the technology used in the plants. But NG is still cleaner and more efficient. Trying to make coal as viable as NG is like squeezing water from a rock.
     
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    Sorry, but five consecutive years of a similar result creates an expectation. Any other claim is just excuse making.
     
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    On the contrary, five consecutive years of a similar result creates an expectation. Any other claim is just excuse making.
     
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    You would (should) lose your job in the energy biz if you counted on wind power to supply 20% of any demand on any given day. No one "expects" or "counts on" that. NO ONE. You can't cite any evidence to the contrary except your opinion.
     
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