World’s ‘solar and wind capital’ freezing due to snow ‘blanketing millions’ of solar panels

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  1. Tigger2

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    What, search through the article just to save you answering a simple question.
     
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    Surely you're not expecting Jack to break his MO of just copying and pasting extracts from his favourite sources instead of using his own words :)
     
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    I have written more than enough. I'm not anyone's research assistant. If you're interested, read it; if you're not then don't pretend to be serious about the discussion.
     
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    How much is having and maintaining redundant systems going to cost?
     
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    No I wasn't, but its fun to try him. Reality is even if I read through it found the relevant bit and showed it to him he would just ignore it and continue. Hence I wont bother.
     
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    Then, yes it did include development, which makes a nonsense of your numbers.
     
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    And you are wrong again.
     
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    The cost is simply production. From the link in #1411:

    ". . . Despite an “investment” of about $380 billion from 2004-2015, “renewable” energy consumption only increased by 3.6 quadrillion BTU. That’s $105.56 per million BTU (mmBTU). The wellhead price for natural gas is currently around $3.30/mmBTU and the US residential price has averaged $10.55/mmBTU since 2014.

    If it was actually possible to replace fossil fuels with “renewables,” at $105.56/mmBTU, it would cost just under $8.5 trillion to replace 80.4 quadrillion BTU of fossil fuels. Depending on when he was misstating his own agenda, Mr. Biden says this must be done by 2025, 2035 or 2050… periods of 5, 15 and 30 years… $1.7 trillion/yr, $566 billion/yr and $283 billion/yr respectively. . . . "
     
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    Posted in error
     
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    So it literally does include development. The entire calculation is investment divided by output.
    Another phoney claim Jack.
     
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    The claim is accurate, your discomfort notwithstanding. The costs are what the costs are.
     
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    ‘Cheap’ offshore wind power claims are false, data shows
    • Date: 19/02/21
    • Press Release, Global Warming Policy Foundation
    Ministers and the media ‘must stop deceiving the public’ A new paper from the Global Warming Policy Foundation shows that the cost of offshore wind power is high and barely falling. GWPF is calling for ministers and officials to come clean with the public. Since 2017, renewables advocates have argued that offshore wind power is now […]
     
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    Oh yes they are.
     
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    Which is why fossil fuels will still be primary energy sources a century from now.
     
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    Oh no the wont!
    Do you have panto in the states
     
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    And THAT is why you need nuclear power as a backup, because it's largely unaffected by environmental conditions, because it can be kept in reserve and bolstered when necessary and has a very low carbon footprint.
     
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    No, we must rely on renewables with a fallback of nuclear capability.
     
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    If nuclear were rehabilitated politically then it could easily be a primary baseload energy source.
     
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    There is not enough nuclear resources to allow it to become a primary source for energy in the long term globally
     
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    Easily created.
     
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    They certainly are not factual.


     
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    I infer that we disagree.
     
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    Wow, you've managed to create nuclear resources from thin air! A Nobel prize awaits you
     
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    Huge stockpiles of nuclear weapons have been created over the decades. One of the largest diplomatic efforts in the world is driven by the ease with which Iran can create nuclear material. I suggest you need to study the topic.

    Nuclear fuel - Wikipedia
    en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Nuclear_fuel


    Nuclear fuel is material used in nuclear power stations to produce heat to power turbines. Heat is created when nuclear fuel undergoes nuclear fission.
    Metal fuel · ‎Common physical forms... · ‎Less-common fuel forms · ‎Spent nuclear fuel



    Nuclear Fuel - Nuclear Energy Institute
    www.nei.org › fundamentals › nuclear-fuel


    Uranium is an abundant metal and is full of energy: One uranium fuel pellet creates as much energy as one ton of coal, 149 gallons of oil or 17,000 cubic feet of ...
     
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