Who Is Most Responsible for the SUCCESS of the Christian Religion?

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Who Is Most Responsible for the SUCCESS of the Christian Religion?

Poll closed May 7, 2021.
  1. Jesus

    6 vote(s)
    37.5%
  2. Paul

    2 vote(s)
    12.5%
  3. Constantine

    8 vote(s)
    50.0%
  1. rahl

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    Evolution does not claim this.
     
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    You've probably been led to believe that the first simple creatures had rudimentary eyes, and that as creatures slowly evolved their eyes evolved along with them. However, that's not what scientists have found. Not only is there no evidence of this occurring, but some of the most complex eyes have been discovered in the simplest creatures.
     
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    Nothing in your post is scientifically accurate
     
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    How could the amazing seeing eye have come about purely by blind chance? Based on the evidence, wouldn't a reasonable person conclude that the eye is astonishingly complex and could not have evolved gradually, and that each creature's eyes are uniquely designed?
     
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    Evolution
    No
     
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    It didn't happen by blind chance - That's not how evolution is well described ..

    Regardless - have you heard of the "Invisible Hand" !? That's what did it.
     
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    The painting is absolute proof for the existence of a painter and a building is absolute proof there was a builder.
     
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    Tis true - Nature builds many things.
     
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    Every house is built by someone, but He who built all things is God. Hebrews 3:4
     
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    The Old Testament was written at the same time the New Testament was written, around 680-690 A.D. by a committee of story tellers, writers, and artists based in England. Therefore, they were able to write a credible backstory to make the fairy tale believable. When you watch a movie, do you think it is reality?
     
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    That is so silly because "J" words did not exist at that time. Your quote is a fake.
     
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    Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. (John 8:58)
     
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    Mary never did produce her tokens of virginity.
     
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    Those were some very creative story tellers, weren't they?
     
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    Suetonius, chief secretary to Emperor Hadrian, wrote of a man named Chrestus (Christ) who lived during the first century (Roman Annals 15.44)
     
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    Isn't Hadrian the guy who made his boyfriend a God and established a religion based on him?
     
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    On this we agree - on the message - not so much..
     
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    Reincarnation involves being...................................re-birthed.
    It means, to "INCARNATE" again. To become flesh and blood.

    In other words - born to another earthly body.



    That's not what happens to us after physical death (based on what you quoted from the Scriptures).

    An earthly body isn't the same as an ETERNAL body (as described).


    2 Cor 5
    Assurance of the Resurrection

    5 For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

     
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    If you take that book as evidence for reincarnation - then you should also consider near-death experiences,
    and claims of meeting God the same way.

    Otherwise, your views are biased.



    "The following stories have been shared with us by real people who have had a life changing encounter with God."
    http://www.arabicnoor.com/en/life_stories.html

    Though I have not seen Him - I am one of those who have had what I describe as "God experience." Several, in fact.


    A lot of Muslims have claimed to have seen JESUS CHRIST, and were converted to Christianity.

    ....and, logic follows that if the Christian God is real - then, the possibility of a literal HELL could also be real.
     
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    But it is still not the SAME body as per resurrection...
     
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    Romans 1:20 says that creation leaves the world "without excuse" when it comes to the issue of God's existence.
     
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    With Jesus, it is the same body. The angel said He had risen - thus, His body wasn't in the tomb.
    The apostles recognized Him - no one said anything that has changed about Him physically - as they had known Him
    before His death.
    His pierced skin - which He had shown to Thomas - indicate it's the same body.


    Not with people, I presume.
    But then again, we don't really know.....right?


    Even if it's our earthly bodies that rise up from the dead - they can no longer be simply earthly bodies if they are to exist forever.
    We may be using our earthly bodies when we rise up from the dead - but they are obviously no longer of this world.
    Earthly corpses decompose and return to dust.

    The Bible indicate that from the dead, we will rise.
    Nothing is said about being birthed again.


    Are we going to use our earthly body, or are we going to manifest as something else? Who can say?
    We'll know how the resurrection of the dead will be like when we get there.
     
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    I was using this definition from Wikipedia....
    Reincarnation, also known as rebirth or transmigration, is the philosophical or religious belief that the non-physical essence of a living being begins a new life in a different physical form or body after biological death.

    It uses the word "form" or "body" (a collection of matter)...you added "flesh and blood" to your definition,
     
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    It's from the term, "incarnate" - as in Jesus being God incarnate.


    from Merriam/Webster:

    Incarnate: invested with bodily and especially human nature and form
     
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    You can not demonstrate your god exists let alone that it built anything.
     

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