Should we get out of the Middle East?

They indeed do. They bomb Gaza from time to time, killing many innocent people.

They have a parliament as democracies usually have. But being democratic doesn't protect someone from being a criminal.

Nope; although they benefit from American aid funds and American weapons, I'm sure the Zionists won't help America to fight against a serious attacker like Russia.

 

This is true. But the end is not exactly the end either. Oil is in the soles of your shoes, the shingles on your house, the plastic water bottle you drink from, the tires on your car, lubricants for wind turbines, in the circuit boards in your cars. It’s literally everywhere. In fact if everyone who owned a car today (not a truck or long haul big rig) swapped over to electric cars today oil output would still have to increase. Mostly due to rising Asian countries who are working on becoming modernized. I also doubt gas vehicles will go away here in the states at the hopeful pace many democrats want. For small towners like me they just don’t make economic sense. There is no charging station in the mountains when you camp. We also travel greater distances for work.

Here’s a good article about it

https://www.bp.com/en/global/corpor...-future-electric-vehicles-and-oil-demand.html

 

Bigly.

 

No, I don't own DNC books.

I just don't feel like a victim.

This has nothing to do with the topic, so you're better off opening a new thread about your victim complex.

 

First off - we don't control the energy and resources in the region - havn't for some time - and the petro dollar is a separate issue.

Now - there are "energy issues" in the region -in which multi-nationals are involved - such as the proposed energy corridor through Syria - which Assad blocked - precipitating the war in Syria.

So these are "multi-national" interests - one block China/Russia - the other The West - US /Britain - and various combinations of other nations - depending on the issue ... normally involving Brother El Saud - or Israel.

The problem with "The West" - coalition of the day - is that it is not always acting in the best interest of US citizens .. nor is furthering various economic interests in the region necessarily furthering "our" interests. .. oh .. its furthering someone's interests -- and we all know their names .. the idea that the Military Industrial Complex that Eisenhower warned about is acting in "OUR" interest - is the big "Necessary Illusion" being peddled here - and no small sums of cash are put to the purposes of propaganda to peddle that illusion . but that is another story.

As a Fiscal Conservative - I do a cost benefit analysis. While there was indeed some benefit 70 years ago until after the Oil Crisis - big benefit to be sure .. that benefit then went into decline - where we no longer rely on El Saud for OIl. - some economic interest remains

We have spent 10 Trillion on the region over the last 20 years. - in excess of what we needed to spend - to maintain security - My claim is that this money would have been better spent on infrastructure - technology - education - ramping up our ecconomy to compete in the third millennium ..

Instead we flushed that money down the toilet - to feed the war gravy train - as one would expect in a "Pay to Play" system where the Golden rule is that Gold makes the rules

 

They bomb Gaza in defense not in aggression. If your neighbor shot at you would you shoot back?

 

They most definitely are on a higher moral value than a terrorist regime. Hamas literally let balloons with bombs fly into Israel, how is that not more indiscriminately targeting innocents? You’re on the wrong side on this one!

 

Let’s hope that never has to be put to the test. That said you think Hamas will? Lol come on man, Israel definitely would. They have some of the best fighter pilots in the world. They continuously poke Iran who is almost nuclear capable. I would not call them cowardice at all.

 

Hamas fights against the Zionist occupation of their homelands. Israel is the aggressor, not the Hamas.

 

Where do you think Israelites originated from?

 

If you do cost benefit analysis, how did you end up with a number 5 times higher than the actual number?

The actual number is less than $2T, and that includes Pentagon, State Department, healthcare veterans, and the interest on debt incurred to fund 17 years of U.S. military involvement.

 

A policy of endless intermittent warfare is obviously preferred by both sides or it would have ended decades ago.

 

Nope, Hamas doesn't have other means to counter Zionist aggression other than guerilla warfare.

 

You must be a squad supporter. Your spewing the same garbage about supporting a terrorist group and the magical end of oil. You’re high

 

Zionists act in self defense they are not the aggressor and they don’t go blow themselves up in streets to hurt innocents. They attack targets of military value. They don’t just let bombs fly in the air until a balloon drops it on who knows what. Hamas should be wiped out and aggressively

 

To stand up on a soap box and make the claim you just have - is quite a claim. Numbers regularly posted in the media are 5 6 -7 Trillion .. and odd that you use 17 years when the War in Iraq was 2001 ? are they leaving some years out ?

So just on the basis of regular reporting - your number is really low and needs to be justified. Notice that My number is 10 Trillion. - and also needs be justified .. something I have done a gazillion times on here - likely in posts you have read previously.

But let us hear where this .. well pardon but - laughably low number comes from - so prepare for a bit of a wake up call .. as that number is abject nonsense on steroids .. over the last 20 years and +/- three years on either the back or front end will not matter to that demonstrable fact .. ...

The floor is yours .. defend your 2 Trillion position.

 

Hamas and Israel both wouldn't help the US. Hamas understand the US as an enemy and for Israel, the US is only a stupid money supplier without soul.

 

They say so, but in truth, they are the real oppressors, murderers, and land robbers.

 

What makes you think I have one of those?

 

Should we get out of the Middle East?

YES!

There are daily reports about US convoys transferring stolen oil and grain from Syria to Iraq. Three hundred oil trucks crossed the Syria-Iraq border on 23 March alone and there are reports everyday about trucks with grain crossing the border.

We are in Syria illegally, and yet cry about the suffering people of Syria under Assad as we pilfer their oil and grain and continue our sanctions. It matters not what we're doing. It matters only what we can convince others we're doing.

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It's sociopath time
and time for the sleaze,
to gain what we can
and do as we please - Jeannette


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Invasion date was March 20, 2003, and the big spending ended log time ago.

Lets not pretend all military budget went into Iraq. We spend big, be there war, or no war.

We spent about $800 billion on military operations and the rest was on other things.

My sources: CBO, Brown University, Boston University, The Military Times, etc, etc...... What is your source?

 

You admitted knowing what it says in such book. How else would you know, if you didn't own one, and read it too?

 

Good point.
The Palestinians have Islam, which by definition forbids them to submit to oppressors.
What's the source of Zionist aggression? Why they're unable to stop the ongoing violence?

 

I have a TV and cable internet and I'm not blind or stupid.

 

You can’t be for real. You’re seriously taking the side of a terrorist organization that believes their leaders are divine, not elected, allows balloons to drop bombs completely and utterly indiscriminately. They hate America and you’re buying into that hook line and sinker.

we will never agree or even meet on common ground on this one.