Christianity and drinking

There is only one God, the Creator of the Universe and everything in it. Our physical world in only a part of it.

In everything there is a growth process, and that includes spiritual growth. God revealed Himself first to Abraham, especially when He told him not to sacrifice his son - something that was common among Semites so they could appease the idols (demon gods).

When God felt the time was ripe, He revealed Himself even more so by giving Moses the Ten Commandments, and after that He gave a full revelation of Himself by showing that He consisted of Pure Love by sacrificing His Son/Word Jesus Christ.

God presented Himself as a punishing father figure in the OT, because it was the only way that people at that time and place could understand in effect, what was really the consequences of their own actions, and what they themselves brought about when they turned away from the source that maintains them.

Those consequences have occurred thousands of times in history since then, and will continue to occur - as we are now seeing.

 

By which God .. I mean the God of Abraham - Enlil - El - Elyon - El Shaddai - "the Supreme one" Head of the Divine Council - Father - Creator - God on High - of the Mountain.

Or YHWH - one of the Sons of God - who rises up to usurp the position of El on Earth - El is still regarded as the high one in Heaven but the Sons are battling for his position on earth - as recounted in the Bible .. battling against Baal Haddad .. Canaanite usurper .. or Marduk - who battled the Serpent in the Garden to become - The Supreme One on earth.

 

As if you were really interested.....

 

Course I am . I find the Gods of the Bible a very interesting topic

 

No, I have it right. Jesus performed the miracle (His first miracle), not the servants.

 

Because you are confused, but more likely deny any "G"od, I'll let it pass. I am more interested in God, His desire, His character and my own relationship with Him. Because I am not confused....please don't hold it against me!

 

If I am confused - it is by people who think making an accusation and not backing it up - is some kind of argument for something.. Don't call me confused bacause you don't understand the book you claim to believe in - or are conflicted by things in the Bible that don't happen to fit in with your made up story ..

You are the one in denial of God mate - I was merely trying to figure out who your God was .. you say "His Character" .. Which one ? The xenophobic genocidal flip flopping god with the most petty and nasty of human characteristics as depicted by the D writers ?

Surely you don't think this is the God of Jesus .. as he contradicts this God at every turn ... as does the High Priest Melchizedek - his God - and the God of Abraham .. Giving blessings - performing the holy Sacrament of Bread and Wine --- .. ya mon ..

Hope you don't go to one of those churches that have swapped out the wine with grape juice .. blasphemed the most holy of rituals .. now that I might hold against you ... but not for long

 

You sound just like the Pharisees of old. Getting a little testy now that I don't take your bait? You don't seem to want to proclaim your god. You just want to attack the One and only. Too many want to seek Truth including myself. You seem to be outside of that circle my friend.

 

I was talking about our Creator God of Abraham, and how He revealed Himself to humanity, not the demon 'gods' of negation. But look, to each his own.

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Take that you fools of misery.
For we as 'gods' of lofty see,
who fuel our base and flagrant life.
with pagan modes and ancient rites.

Are unlike you - such lowly fools,
who follow banal moral rules.
We have our own within our stead
of hubris and of bloated head - Jeannette

 

Testy -- not me Sir - that would be you .. going off .. and getting mad - calling folks confused cause cause information conficts with what ever dogma it is you adhere ... and various other things cause you have no material..

and no .. Running from the Truth as you are doing -- calling names as you go .. is not seeking the Truth. and it is you who refuses to name ane proclaim your God - are you embarassed because it is YHWH ?

My God is the source of all creation - God of Abraham - God of Jesus - God of the Universe -

 

What is the name of this God .. and this one you call the Demon God of Negation ?

 

Giftedone -

I'm sorry you're having a problem, I thought I was being very clear.

But look, if you're having problems about gods, I would suggest Dionysius. He's the fun one - and would suit you perfectly. ENJOY!

 

My My Jeannette - snarky snarky , but in all seriousness - I don't put God in box .. tied up with pretty ribbons - like you have done.

 

The good book says to give wine and strong drink to the infirm ..... Oh Lord am I ever infirm!

 

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!

Factless NONSENSE!

Atheism PREDATES your own religion by at least 500 years!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#History

 

I didn't mean that you were mistaken about who performed the miracle, I meant that you were mistaken about Jesus turning wine into water.
Every account that I've read states that Jesus turned water into wine.

 

Yes LOL. Of course. The wedding host would have been pissed if He turned their wine into water.

 

You know nothing! Without gods means a place without idols. It doesn't mean the people did not turn to idols. There's a saying that there are no atheists in a fox hole. When people like the Semites were willing to throw their most beloved child into the fire to appease the 'gods', the fear factor has to be very, very strong.

This is why Saint George is depicted slaying the dragon. It was his martyrdom and that of the other Saints which brought about Christianity, and removed people's fears, so they wouldn't have to sacrifice their loved ones to appease the demons/idols.

 

I think Jesus brought about Christianity, then the Pagans labeled His followers Christian which meant "little Christs". Then came ....."Religion". Jeannette, ever read about Dietrich Bonnhoeffer? I think his take on the whole thing was very interesting. As far as your detractor goes, I do believe Adam and Eve, the first humans anyway, knew about God. They had little else to preoccupy their minds.

 

Adam and Eve had to know about God, and Noah must have, but somehow God must have fallen by the wayside and people began making 'gods' of that which they idolized.

As for Jesus, yes He is God's Word, but the Word was spread by his Disciples and the Saints that came after them. What I noticed is that whenever there is a martyrdom, people's hearts start changing - so it has to be the work of the Holy Spirit.

As an example, I read once that some Evangelicals who wanted to spread the Word to some savages were all killed. But shortly after, when they went to retrieve the bodies, the savages became Christians. I also recall reading about some Catholic nuns in France, who preferred to die rather than leave the monastery, and how 2 weeks after their martyrdom, the terror ended.

What it means to me is that if someone has enough love in their hearts to sacrifice themselves for their fellow man, that overpowering love will affect the very atmosphere and be so embracing that it will encompass everyone around them - maybe even a whole nation.

 

Fundamentalism is spiritual immaturity. They can't understand faith outside of their own traditions.

So let me ask you something? How do you know if a person is a fundamentalist or not? From what I noticed, the only person critical of another person's faith is you.

 

Absurd your claim that there are not folks out there critical of faith .. thats why folks come to the religious section.. Whats funny - ironic - and hypocritical is that right in this post you criticize the faith of others .. a whole group of Christians .. calling them spiritually immature .. and lacking in understanding (dumb ?!)

Now to your question - Fundamentalists are literalists .. claim every word in the bible is God Breathed... take everything literally with no room for allegory .. earth 6000 years old and so on.

Now - you claimed I was critical of something - what criticism of faith were you referring to ?

 

You're deliberately misinterpreting everything I say, and it's annoying so I'm putting you on ignore.

 

No I didn't . and you were the one came in throwing stones - while living in glass house.

 

The word derived from Greek word Christianos aka follower of Christ, although I have heard the 'little christs' before and that it was initially used as an insult .

The authors of the Bible were not ashamed of the title, and used it to describe themselves.

1 Peter 4:16 However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name.

Acts 11:26 and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.