Christianity and drinking

Meat is a source of complex protiens and amino acids conveniently packaged in animals.

philosophy is often expressing insanity in what, at first, appears to be aq rational manner.

 

Meat is derived from sentient beings by other sentient beings.
Presumably a human represents convenient packaging of complex proteins and amino acids.
Insanity is often a condition diagnosed by experts, not usually by keyboard warriors.

 

That's a stretch. Does it include bugs. The ancient prophets ate meat. Jesus, the author of Christianity ate fish and fed it to the multitude. God told Peter in a vision that he could eat pretty much any animal. I was raised to eat balanced meals in moderation. Eating meat has never been at odds with my conscience. How much life was killed and displaced so that we could have our computers, homes, this internet and pretty much everything in our lives. And how many animals became roadkill during the shipping of our goods to our local shopping centers. If you don't want to kill or eat animals or any living thing, then don't. They will die for you in countless numbers nonetheless.

 

Whatever God told Peter it is reported God told Moses ‘thou shalt not kill’.
What you have written above is an elaborate justification for your desire to consume flesh, which according to the ‘consciences’ of a lot of people is wrong.
As it is also wrong according to one of the Ten Commandments.
Maybe the Bible is interpreted in a selective manner by those who call themselves Christians.

 

Hindus believe 'thou shall not kill' includes animals, but in Judaism and Christianity the commandment refers to unlawful killing (murder) of human beings.

 

Your IMAGINARY biblical deity ORDERED his "chosen people" to not only KILL human beings AND also to KILL fetuses. (Hosea 13:16)

Cue kneejerk denialism response...

 

Elaborate psychological disorders regarding food are often as harmless as harmful. But to presume them to be blueprints for mankind is a self righteous, cult like expansion of the disorder. Jesus said that which one eats or goes into his mouth is not what defiles him, but what comes from his mouth as it betrays his hearts treasure. The Ten commandments are about mans interactions with man and God, not with food. The food fixation is yours. However, if it suits you then I am okay with that for you. Jesus said we don't live by bread alone but by every word from God. The first principles of salvation are faith in Jesus Christ, repentance of our sins, and baptism for remission of sins and as a covenant of purpose for the record of our own good. There is no other way, diet, or blueprint to begin salvation.

 

You may choose to interpret the commandment in a way that conveniently allows the killing of animals, but my understanding is that it says ‘Thou shalt not kill’.
No weasel get out clause necessary.
Hinduism does not require a vegetarian diet, Buddhist are closer to the mark.

 

I have not said the Ten Commandments as such are about interaction with food, but that ‘Thou Shalt Not Kill’ is a simple edict, and the slaughter of creatures for food, fun or fascination breaks that commandment.
You might do better to explore the areas of Christian hypocrisy than to divert the discussion to some such stuff about salvation.
Faith in Jesus Christ would be so much easier for some if he had been a vegetarian.

 

Dear Meat is murder.. you know that the the Law was written in Hebrew.. so your translation may be faulty

 

Whatever gets you through the night.

Not only does God permit the killing of animals, He demanded it from His people, the Jews.

Exodus 20:13 Thou shall not murder

לֹ֥֖א תִּֿרְצָֽ֖ח׃ ס =
ratsach:
to murder, slay
Original Word: רָצַח
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: ratsach
Phonetic Spelling: (raw-tsakh')
Definition: to murder, slay
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/7523.htm

 

I have a hard time understanding why Christians would be anti-drinking, when their Jesus was himself a micro-brewery turning water into wine.

 

I don't think anybody is born with any particular belief in Gods. I do think people are born believing in a higher power, but that power is Mom.

 

True.

I was differentiating between atheists (who did not get exposed to Christianity growing up) and former theists (who usually did but moved away from those belief systems).

MOST moms are absolutely wonderful. I drew the short straw on that though. My mother is very religious and one of the most hateful people I've ever known. In fact, the most hateful people I have ever known claimed some kind of religious belief.

 

There you have it. Slay means kill.
Thou shalt not kill.
You may as well stop with the equivocation and accept that Christians who eat meat or fish do so because they want to, and it is against one of the Ten Commandments.
You can come back and say that plants are alive if you want, but to me there is a difference between plants and fruit and a sentient being.

 

Ancient Hebrew to boot.
Modern Hebrew is about 150 years old.
Translations are open to debate, but 'thou shalt not kill' is a pretty simple straightforward way of saying what the commandment means.

 

No it doesn't. Even if it did, everyone would be in violation of it to varying degrees, simply by virtue of living, rendering it an upbraid rather than a command. Your translation then is a perversion of both the commandment and God who spoke it. Perhaps you should stick to the benefits of vegetarianism, and leave judgment and scriptures out of it.

 

If Jehovah's witnesses didn't come to my door wearing leather shoes I wouldn't be bothered by that aspect of Christian hypocrisy.
It is interesting how much Christian equivocation my post has engendered.
Thou shalt not kill is a nice simple edict and it covers animals as well as people.
Not everybody would be in violation incidentally. My 15 month old grandchild for example has never eaten meat or fish.
If Christians are sincere in their beliefs they wouldn't compromise with a basic commandment.
It really is that simple and I suggest you jump through a different hoop because this issue is not ambiguous.

 

just a brilliant discourse from someone who declares

"meat is murder"
So shove your 'Christian hypocrisy'.. at the very least, Christians ask forgiveness and repent when truly hypocritical.

 

Yep meat is indeed murder.
You can continue with your mildly abusive personal posts if you like, I forgive you.
The commandment says 'thou shalt not kill', there is no small print that makes an exception for animals.

 

I'm astonished that you could be so blind to all the life that has perished, been killed, and continues to die so that you and your family can live in your fantasy as guilty as the sin you suppose on others. Not to mention the hypocrisy of it. Carry on.

 

And there's an exception for plants?

 

It's not considered a sin to drink moderately. However alcohol is addictive and the temptation to depend on it can be strong. I'm southern Baptist and gambling and drinking are frowned upon because of the devastation it can cause. That said I like an occasional Glass of wine or a stout beer.

 

I wonder what the correlation is between religious belief and drinking/gambling when the religion doesn't stop it.

 

Get a grip.
I am not blind to what's going on, I am calling out the hypocrisy of preaching one thing but doing another.