Christianity and drinking

I am the oldest of four siblings which means I have more memories with our parents and extended family. My mother's mother hated her and treated her like trash when she was alive. My grandmother passed. It is tradition for us to line up with the oldest first followed by the next child, etc. for the viewing. So, I was there to support my mother. Because she's a drama queen she started screaming and hollering and crying. (everything she does is some sort of manipulation).

Anyway, fast forward about 5-6 years or so and I was at my parents' house and my mother was telling my youngest sister that she was her mom's favorite child. She went on and on about how wonderful her mom was and how much she misses her, blah, blah, blah. My sister was a kid at the time so I didn't think it was appropriate to contradict our mother because children shouldn't have to sort out adults' stuff. My mother did that to me as a kid and I resent her for it.

So, as I was making my own slow egress from Christianity, I thought about what I just told you about and it got me to wondering. Well, if someone can completely rewrite history within ONE generation, why/how is it not possible that same thing happened with the stories about Jesus? There have been a couple of centuries to make it all rose petals and unicorns. That is when I started researching and learning about how the books of the Christian bible were written and revised and what information had been excluded and what roles those scholars played in shaping society of that time. It really bothered me at the time because I have never never attended public school. Yet, up through my college degree, I had NEVER read the bible in it's entirety. I had NEVER heard about the how the bible (that we use today) was developed. All that was required of me was to be obedient and accept the message as it was delivered by our priest. We had to memorize a few things here and there but one thing was very clear to me, even as a kid, and that is "if we are ALL God's children, why do we need priests, ministers, rabbis, etc. to speak to Him/him for us? And, why did I take a serious beating for daring to ask that question aloud? In fact, the whole catalyst (for me) was that I was getting hit quite a bit for asking questions. Why was everyone so insulted by that? My kids ask me questions all the time. It has never dawned on me to hit them or call them names for it. That's just what kids do and childhood is when we're supposed to make mistakes so we learn. What happened to me was I made terrified for wanting to know more. I feel the same way about doctors. I've had medical doctors yell and swear at me because I asked questions. It's my body. I think I have a right to know what you're asking me to ingest in my body.

Now, onto your hot topic. I absolutely and unequivocally denounce ANY form of judgment on another person for any reason. I don't care if a person is homosexual or not. It's not my place and it doesn't matter what's in the bible (because the bible was written by other human beings with their prejudices and agenda). Point blank.

Let me ask you this. Are you equally concerned about the sex lives of heterosexual couples? I'm going to take a not-so wild guess and say you probably aren't, but I'll wait for official word from you on that. In the meantime, I'd like you to think about this. Nobody but you has to know the answer but I think it might be helpful for you to sit quietly with your thoughts and make a list of why you don't like or hate or won't accept (or whatever your posture is on homosexuality). Once you've done that, put it away somewhere you can find it. For 30 days, write down every encounter you have with other people. Go back and get your list and compare it to your daily notes of encounters. What do you think you will find?

 

You treat Jesus as a historical person. Who do you think viewed him as the bastard son of a Roman soldier and a whore? The evidence points to Jesus being a fictional character based on the sun, not a person, although the character may have been inspired to some degree by real persons. Jesus seems to have been crafted to bring together sun-worshiping cults, which were all the rage at the time, and Judaism in the wake of the destruction of the temple and the ensuing crisis that brought about. The idea of the Messiah was repurposed from a great king to this solar demigod and savior.

 

Welcome to "Damned to Hell" group. LOL

 

You don't even have to rewrite history. People invent it wholesale, and it works for religion. Look at cargo cults. Look at Scientology. Where religious ideas are involved, people can come up with any goofy story and a bunch of other people will believe it just because they have a desire to, and others will embellish and add to it as they see fit.

Jesus need never have existed as a real person by that name. All it took was for a character to be created and embellished once upon a time, and as long as he and the stories about him resonated with people, he would have become real to them all the same. Hercules used to be regarded as historical. Greeks would even claim to be descended from him.

 

The asinine concept that everyone is BORN a "sinner" is LUDICROUS.

There is MORE veracity to the concept that everyone is BORN an Atheist.

Leading a blameless life means doing no INTENTIONAL harm to others.

Yes, it is possible to lead such a life WITHOUT belonging to any religion because it is about who you are as a PERSON rather than whatever theist dogma might allege.

 

Want to hear something funny? I am generally a kind hearted person so I help when I can. I've lost count how many people assumed that I'm Christian because I was kind to them. It also makes me laugh to myself because Christian people, for the most part, are extremely hateful and judgmental. That approach is why there is a mass exodus from organized religion (and I hope it keeps up).

 

Pope Francis said that it is NOT a "sin"!

https://www.hrc.org/resources/seven-quotes-that-make-pope-francis-complicated-for-lgbt-people

For that matter the Old Testament never condemned homosexuality prior to 1946.

King David was homosexual!

So were Ruth and Naomi.

Heterosexual couples engage in anal intercourse and BJ's so does that make them "sinners" just because homosexuals engage in those same activities?

 

Having lived overseas I have encountered kind hearted people of all creeds.

Being kind to others is a UNIVERSAL social value that Christianity has nefariously coopted as blunt object to demean and disparage others.

 

Can you help me out here, please? I have an elderly mother and two children. I have some chronic health conditions. Who are these people that have all the time in the world to be in everybody else's business? Do they have cushy jobs and nannies? Who has the time, energy or interest to be self-righteous? My days are maxed out on just living MY life.

 

My VERY Christian family hate that part of my personality. Fortunately, I have two children who are kind and helpful to others as well.

P.S. I got in some trouble in high school. I made my dad a garlic necklace for Christmas. He thought it was funny. My mother did NOT. She beat the hell out of me.

 

Pope Francis is the leader of the Roman Imperial Church and does not serve Jesus.

All of these are not true.

The Bible does not specifically state that heterosexual BJs and anal sex are wrong. That being said, the general rules which guide a follower of Jesus still apply and may prohibit these.

 

Well, examine yourself. What gave you the time to write this self-righteous post?

 

There, Jesus said it. And I am OK with it - if you can drink and that does not lead to vomiting (digested food, profanities or insults against other people), I have no problem with it.

 

Celsus

 

Didn't Jesus TELL you NOT to judge others?

Matthew 7
1
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
2
For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

So now that you have "sinned" by VIOLATING the TEACHINGS of Jesus it will be YOU who will be JUDGED as someone who "does not serve Jesus" when your time comes.

See how that works?

Are you saying that your bible is telling LIES?

So by your own words above you do NOT follow your own bible?

Sad!

 

Jesus never said that.

Here's a translation which may be easier for you to understand.
Matthew 7:1-2 NLT
“Do not judge others, and you will not be judged. [2] For you will be treated as you treat others. The standard you use in judging is the standard by which you will be judged.

In case you don't know, by knowingly rejecting the RIC, the pope has already declared that I do not follow what he considers to be Jesus. So, he is being judged in the same way he judges. Like Jesus, I'm really not bothered when Sons of Satan mock me.

None of what you said is in the Bible.

Sorry, but my words here don't say that.

 

BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHA!

It is patently clear that you CANNOT see the PROJECTION in what you just posted.

Sad!

 

So NOW you are claiming that the Gospel of Matthew is NOT quoting Jesus?

Never heard of the OT stories about the LOVE between David and Johnathon and Ruth and Naomi?

Sad!

FTR many Christians quote the words of love expressed by Ruth in their own marriage vows while NEVER realizing that Ruth was talking about her FEMALE lover.

 

the bible does say it's better to marry than to burn with passion, but good not to marry, so this would also support same gender marriage

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Corinthians 7:8-9&version=NIV

"
8 Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am.
9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
"

 

I am not arguing, I was only trying to answer the questions, which you asked over and over, but apparently you did not like the answers. Maybe they don't make sense to you, but what I explained is true.

 

The message has not changed, as evidenced by the dead sea scrolls. When the ancient writings were found, they were compared to the current texts and were found to be practically word-for-word identical (like book of Daniel).

 

Temperance movement??

It was water, which was turned to wine, and wedding wines had an alcohol content as evidenced in this: “Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now.”

 

The Dead Sea scrolls primarily apply to the OT.

Curiously enough when it comes to the NT they reveal that James, the brother of Jesus, called Paul the Man of the Lie.

So if you are holding up the Dead Sea scrolls as evidence of the veracity of the OT then you should also use what James said to put the self serving epistles of Paul in the negative light they deserve.

 

Dead sea scrolls prove that the scribes have NOT changed the message of the Bible over the centuries.

When did James call Paul a liar?

 

Nope!

They only establish that PARTS of the OT have not been changed.

The NT has been EDITED constantly over the last 2 millennia.

It wasn't ONLY James who called out Paul for being a LIAR!

https://thebibledecoded.com/2021/01/27/paul-the-liar/

The PRIMARY canard spouted by Paul was that Jesus was the "son of god" which was, and still is, BLASPHEMY punishable by death in Judaism.