Well, it's finally happened, Justice Dept handed down Seditious Conspiracy indictments

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  1. Condor060

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    And one of those charged is Thomas Caldwell.
    20 year Naval officer, who was forced to retire on a medical, senior citizen, who walks with a cane, that NEVER entered the Capital.
    This is what a seditionist looks like? Good luck.
     
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    Video footage contradicts this.
     
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    How so?
     
  4. Patricio Da Silva

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    No, I just explained to you why you cannot be taken seriously.
     
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    There are isolated cases of police brutality at the municipal level, but that hardly equals what you are implying.
     
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    Even major Republican figures are saying Trump is responsible



     
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    It's not about wit, it's about whether a reply constitutes an argument.

    Moreover, pithy aphorisms are a non argument when an argument rests entirely upon them. they can be used to supplement
    an argument, but they cannot be the sole basis for an argument.

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    To assume what someone has garnered from a search engine is automatically wrong merely because of the search engine is a logical fallacy.
     
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    lazy reply = non argument = no reply.
     
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    Equating damage done is a specious argument.


    The measure is not damage done it is significance. No street riot compares to a direct attack on the seat of democracy where the former are inspired by police brutality at the municipal level and the latter inspired by the President Of The United States. I find it bizarre that many on the right cannot grasp such a fundamental point.

    No, I hold him 50% and possibly more. And here is the reason.

    The militias have been around for a long time.

    But today, something has given those guys legitimacy and something has emboldened them, brought them out of the woodwork and into the forefront. That something is Donald Trump, who has pandered to their every bias.

    When the PResident makes remarks like 'stand down and stand by', they are empowered.

    Trump, indeed, bears some responsibility for their empowerment.
     
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    Trump can be vehement in his passion, but he can also be 100% wrong.

    Goldwater's famous quote is, indeed, flawed.
     
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    Insurrect, sedition, it's all the same thing in rhetorical terms. The DOJ, having the responsibility to be precise, are using 'Seditious Conspiracy", validating our sentiments.

    I will acknowledge that proving such a thing is an uphill battle, which is why there is very little prosecution along such lines.

    My view is that for Garland to pursue it, he must have a lot of evidence that points directly to it.

    My gut feeling is that the prosecutors are going to use the indictments as leverage to get plea agreements, immunity in some cases, to get them to spill the beans on persons higher up the food chain. That is a common strategy. But, to do that, the indictments sill have to be doable in case they do not cooperate.
     
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    Not what I said.
     
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    Factual statement regarding a fact free post.
     
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    That doesn't negate the fact that those who did attack the capitol were inspired, empowered, and legitimized by Trump.

    He bears responsibility. So says republican leaders and republican opinion leaders



     
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    yes, and Manson never left the house, either.

    Nice logic.
     
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    Unless of course the attack is upon the white house.
     
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    That won't answer the OP's question.
     
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    You're strawmanning his argument.
     
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    Trust me the feeling is mutual.
    You're partisan blindness tells the entire story here
     
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    If the rioters had had the slightest chance in hell of doing anything beyond temporarily distrupting and delaying the certification by a few hours, I might agree.

    But they didn't.

    The rioters post-Floyd convinced thousands of thugs that they could do anything they want in the supposed name of social justice and defunding the police. I'll bet a higher percentage of the 1/6 rioters were caught and will apologize if they haven't done so already. Also the militias have been discredited. Not BLM or their violent supporters and activists.
     
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    And Bernie inspired his follower to attack our Democracy by shooting up Republicans. And, Joe Biden inspired rioters when he knelt down with BLM.
     
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    Link that.

    Nope!

    Man who helped ignite George Floyd riots identified as white supremacist
    https://abcnews.go.com/US/man-helped-ignite-george-floyd-riots-identified-white/story?id=72051536

    Who caused the violence at protests? It wasn’t antifa.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/22/who-caused-violence-protests-its-not-antifa/

    AP finds most arrested in protests aren’t leftist radicalshttps://apnews.com/article/virus-ou...al-injustice-7edf9027af1878283f3818d96c54f748
     
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    LOL. Are you denying that a Bernie follower shot up Republicans after Bernie had repeatedly called for a revolution? Are you denying that BLM rioters were inspired when Biden knelt down with them?
     
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    Where's your link?

    I have no doubt President Biden was an inspiration to BLM "DEMONSTRATORS", what BLM "rioters"?
     

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