Well, it's finally happened, Justice Dept handed down Seditious Conspiracy indictments

So glad to know you find Trump's continued lies, and the belief in them by a large % of Repubs, an example of mendacity.

 

He's the only president for whom the term 'demagogue' fits perfectly.

 

Please reread my post, I've already rebutted this point. Please don't repeat it again, thank you.

 

All those words to call me a liar; wow! Below is the full text of the post you replied to that cause you to make that accusation.

There is not a "lie" in there. The first sentence is speculation that once the "Seditious Conspiracy" charges are tried and render a guilty conviction, January 6th will forever afterward ligitimately be classified a "Seditious Insurrection". That's speculation on my part, but it's NOT a lie. IF the defendants are aquited and I persist in calling January 6th Sedition, then you could say I was lying.

In the second sentence I didn't contest your quote that "Brian Sicknick died of natural causes, I pointed out that those "natural causes" were multiple strokes which is highly unusual for a otherwise healthy, fit 44 year old male and therefor his death was brought on by the January 6th insurrection. I think it's disingenuous of YOU, to minimize his death as "natural causes" without saying what those natural causes were, especially when it's highly unusual for a 44 year old male, especially one that is active and fit, to die of a stroke.

And then you went on to equate January 6th to the 2020 riots, which I told you, in the part of my post you cut, that the riots of 2020 could not be equated to the insurrection of January 6th. Again, I think leaving that part of my reply out is not only disingenuous but down right sneaky as well.

So don't even pretend to hold some high ground and call "ME" a liar; when you've proven yourself to be disingenuous and down right under handed.

 

No, you didn't. You made excuses as to why they haven't charged him with anything. None of which is actually preventing them from charging Trump with anything having to do with the Mueller report. Its been 3 years. 1 of which Biden has been in charge. Is the Biden Administration so inept that they can't charge someone with simple obstruction charges in a years time? They already have everything Mueller produced. Nothing else needs done...except prosecute. There is no difference between charging an ex-President vs charging you or me. All 3 of us are civilians. Nothing is actually stopping them. Other than the belief that the charges won't actually stick because there is reasonable doubt. And if that were to happen then it would just show that the Dems and Trump Haters have been doing nothing but making false accusations for political gain. And THAT is why they haven't charged him. They're afraid of giving him ammunition. Afraid of proving his statement of "witchhunt" correct. Its easy to make claims, twist things to suit political partisanship....not NEAR as easy to prove something in a court of law where only facts matter, not political drivel.

 

Except that you did not state it in a speculative way. In fact you assured that the charges would lead to a conviction.

That's not speculation. Speculation would entail using words like "if they are brought to conviction" and "as I hope they undoubtedly will". You stated it as if it was a done deal. Done deals are not speculative.

The strokes were caused by an embolism. Embolisms are blood clots. Blood clots inside the body take time to form. They can even have been there since birth. And are often the cause of an early death.

Subjective.

 

I’m glad they are being indicted however I don’t believe any of this is trumps fault. That’s coming from a guy who will Never vote for trump again and I still don’t think he was at fault. It’s as if democrats are choosing to only pay attention to the parts of his speech that fits their narrative. They never talk about him claiming the should go peacefully protest because it doesn’t fit their idea. It is not trumps fault.

 

That's splitting hairs, semantically. But I never quoted anything, it was only ever an opinion. Sorry if you, or X, mistakenly took it for more than that.

OR! Trauma.

No more or less "subjective" than Officer Sicknick's death.

 

Sorry, when someone says something in a factual way then its going to be taken as that person stating a fact. Not opinion. Not speculation. If you were truly sorry then instead of trying to put the blame for your poor grammar on others you should admit that you had poor grammar and apologize for that and then don't make the same mistake later on.

If it had been trauma induced then there would have been marks left by that trauma. The coroner said that there were no marks on Sicknick that would lead to his death. Also if trauma was the case of loosening the clot then it would have given him a stroke that same day.

Sicknicks death is not subjective at all. You just want it to be because it furthers a political agenda. Whether or not Jan 6 is comparable to the 2020 riots on the other hand is definitely subjective. Unless you want to go by a strict reading of the definition of insurrection? Which by the by does not include "targeting the seat of power to overthrow the government". Its far more generalized than that. But you'll lose on that front. So, up to you.

 

Unfortunately for you I'm not alone iny opinions. Your assumed authority is patently pretentious and precocious. And this is a forum not a grammar class. So, I relish being difficult btw, so, no, I don't think I will apologize.

And, btw, blunt force trauma doesn't always leave marks and Officer Sicknick did die within a reasonable time frame for a traumatic stroke.

The attack on the Capitol WAS a direct treat to OUR Government, the riots of 2020 were NOT. They do not equate, there is no comparison between them.

 

Seditious Conspiracy is a thought, not an action.

 

Rittenhouse is as guilty as OJ and recieved the same justice. I hope it dogs him the rest of his life. He's a killer.
Here is a link from your link. Read it and know I accept your apology.
https://acleddata.com/2020/09/03/de...violence-in-america-new-data-for-summer-2020/

 

demagoguery is by no means the only way that tyranny is achieved

 

Leaders inspire followers (good leaders anyway as bad leaders rely heavily upon fear). How one is influenced by a leader is a whole other thing. Who is responsible for how I perceive what any of you say? Either you are responsible for my perspective or I am responsible for my own. People have gotten some silly notions about me in their head that was not true, and we have all allowed our bias and ignorance to lead our logic from time to time.

I think it is a tough case to prove that Trump wanted the attack to happen and somehow orchestrated it. As the consequences would be severe if it were proved he had, the evidence would need to be overwhelming and irrefutable. I say this a one that dislikes Trump.

 

But tRump had it working for him.

 

They did... ? With sedition... oh wait that's just what democrats do to their political opponents...

 

Depends on your perspective. It certainly was democrats trying to incite violence and fear to effect an election. If you want to characterize that as overthrowing the government, it isn't a stretch.

 

In some circles that might be referred to as Dear Leader Syndrome.

 

Maybe in your circle. In my circle it’s called looking at the whole speech rather than just a selected portion. Your argument falls flat on its face because Trump told them to peacefully protest. Of course he said some other stuff but he could not have meant those comments in a violent fashion if he spoke of peacefully protesting as well.

the difference in my argument and yours is I am pointing to the whole speech while your type is pointing to a portion of the speech. Thus excluding facts that don’t fit your narrative. Basically indoctrination

 

There are two primary reasons, I believe...

1. Trump didn't request the 100,000 National Guardsmen and Guardswomen. He floated that lie after the fact to finger Pelosi. But, some of his apologists claim that anything that happens with Biden as POTUS is Biden's fault because the buck stops with him. Therefore, I still don't quite understand why it then makes sense to blame Pelosi, the Capitol Police or anybody except Trump for the Capitol riot.

2. However, even if Trump did make the request and it was denied, there is no logical explanation for him ignoring requests to call in the NG once the mob started brutally attacking the Capitol police officers or his outright refusal to read the statement his legal team drafted to distance himself from them.

Those two aren't in alignment.

 

Further, I haven't been able to understand this about the Capitol riot rationalizations....


1. If Trump requested the 100,000 NG and was denied, why didn't he just cancel his rally for that day or move it to another location?

He specifically tweeted "Be there. It'll be WILD!" and the only logical explanation is he wanted them there, he wanted to manipulate them and he wanted them to <whatever his sick mind> then VP-Pence.




2. Trump loves, loves, loves doing rallies. He needs and craves adoration and attention 24/7. Some of the rationalizations have been that he requested NG back-up because of the anticipated crowd size that day.

I couldn't find the numbers but I do not have any recollection of Trump requesting NG back-up for any other rally he's done since his first run for office. If he truly believed that his supporters would march "peacefully and patriotically" to the Capitol...

a. Why didn't he walk with them as he said he would?
b. Why would the crowd size be a concern for that specific date but none of the others?
c. Why, almost a year later, did he defend their actions saying "I guess they are more upset about the election than you are."?
d. If things just got out of hand (they didn't, he wanted it to happen to punish Pence) why would he say the above?
e. If things just got out of hand, why hasn't he acknowledged the fallen officers and hundreds injured?

None of that aligns with his claim of being a "law and order" president.

 

And of course leftist media are going to say that. The left always covers for its own. The leftist narrative is that only right wingers do violence so, of course, according to our left wing media all those who did violence during the summer of love, had to be right wingers no matter what their actual political allegiance if any was.