Canadian police: 10 dead, 15 injured from stabbings

Let us know when you have a million plus people per year from countries with 70 per 100k homicide rates flowing across your border.

If you think your country is civilized, be aware that it's only possible behind a bunch of guns because I assure you, most of the world is not "civilized".

That's how the guy with a car and a knife was stopped when he went after the UK Parliament. Toxicly masculine men with guns.

 

Hi again, vman12.

I used the term gunshot deaths quite specifically to include all deaths by gunshot. Each and every death is a human life cut short. The grief of a family of a gunshot death victim does not lessen if the death was from this or that cause. To cherry pick a specific subset is to fail to accept the overall problem.

Tghe data I referenced included many of the world's countries for the deaths/100,000 by gunshot total numbers. The United States of America ranked higher than almost all of them. In incarcerations rates, the United States of America ranks highest among the modern democracies. This brings into question the value in significantly reducing the number of deaths by gunshot in the US through a higher level of incarceration of criminals.

Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n un-shot.

 

Really.

What is protecting us.

 

So crime including gun crime soared for 6 years after the gun ban, but now it's better?

That is clearly not the case.

"The number of violent crimes and sex offences recorded by police in England and Wales has risen sharply over the past year, figures suggest.
Knife crime and robbery also increased in the 12 months to September 2017 compared with the previous year, the Office for National Statistics said.
About 5.3 million crimes were recorded in all in that 12-month period, up 14%."
BBC, Crime statistics: Violent crime and sex offences rising, police figures suggest, 25 January 2018.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42815768

 

Why do you need protecting?

 

Are you just making things up because you have no logical argument against law abiding people in a country you don't live in owning guns? None of what you said makes an ounce of sense. Normal people own guns to protect themselves from the criminals.

I know that sounds super complicated, so if you need to broken down I can go slower.

 

What year was that again? And here you are in the year of our Lord 2 thousand and 22 feeling the need for guns even more so than back in ..... what year was that? Great progress! So please pardon me for sniggering but your above statement claims you've become "a free nation" yet you need 2+ guns for every man, woman, and child for protection >>> according to your own figures a few posts above. I don't know, but I have difficulty seeing that as an indication of "a free nation".It looks to me that your nation is still fighting to gain its freedom - so far, no good.

 

You don't? That's pretty funny.

 

Yet you're specifically excluding deaths not involving gunshots.

Is the grief of a family member lessen when the death is due to a knife or someones bare hands?

I'm not cherry picking.

I'm including all homicides. You're not.

I'm including all countries. You're not.

Suicide and homicide are two different problems, and the countries with the highest suicide rates in the world have little if any access to guns....such as South Korea and Japan.

No, it doesn't "bring into question the value in significantly reducing the number of deaths by gunshot in the US through a higher level of incarceration of criminals".

We've already established that the majority of violent crime is committed by people with prior violent convictions/arrests.

That means if those criminals are in jail, the homicide rate goes down by at least 50%.

What part of that are you struggling with?

Thanks for proving my point about having no desire to put violent people in jail though.

 

Ask the Ukrainians.

 

I do not need protecting from crime.

There are 100s of other things that are more likely to harm us than violent crime. I don't feel the need to protect myself from those things either.

If I lived in parts of Chicago with high crime, maybe i would feel the need to arm myself for protection, but just watching the news tell me about crime in Chicago doesn't scare me like it does some people.

 

Now that's a question!

 

Well, some of us like to hunt, protect animals/livestock, go plinking, so there are a lot of uses for a gun. Of course you can also save your life from criminals, so there's that. So yeah, we're a free nation that can own as many or none guns if we want. What's sad is a country that THINKS they're civilized but if guns were around they'd all be shooting each other all day long.

That isn't civilized that's putting a leash on a barely controlled dog.

 

Yeah. We get it. YOU don't get to decide what others get to do just because you're Batman and nothing has happened to you.

 

Well I don't need protecting, I have guns.

Are you suggesting that people don't need to be protected by something/someone?

I mean we're in a thread where a bunch of people were killed with knives in super civilized Canada.

 

This is how most herbivores think too.

Just hang out in the middle of the pack and hope for the best.

I wonder if that was the stance of these Canadians that got murdered felt.

Regardless, I bet their last thought was "I wish I had a gun rn".

 

yea. does that scare you?

There are many things that are far more likely to harm us than violent crime. I don't worry about protecting myself from most of them.

 

These are people that came from a country that civilized the world at the end of a gun.

 

LOL You have no clue what is being discussed!

 

Will your gun save you from getting stabbed in the back? Or will it just mean the person to stabbed you now has a gun?

 

Ok, you're just waffling because you have no point and no logic. You should really never have any guns, trust me.

 

Oh my. You think that the possession of guns under a distrusted government is "being free". And how do the principles of Democracy fit into that equation? I might tell you that a trusted government without the need for guns would be much more favourable and inherently more Democratic by default but would that be too complicated for you?

 

have you tried getting marijuana in a country where it is banned?

 

There are some people who will never trust any government. It's not about the government in question, it's about how their mind works.

 

Oh I'm not scared. Former Marine, have guns, know how to use them. As do my wife and kids.

Sure, there are many things that can harm us, and violent crime is low. Since it's so low, then I'm guessing you don't have a problem with the prevalence of firearms.

Since driving and falls are more likely to kill us, I'm a very defensive driver and very careful when I'm vertically challenging myself. That's why I've never had a speeding ticket and I've never been hurt climbing a ladder or rappelling.

House fires are also extremely rare, yet I had so many fire extinguishers around the house that my wife kind of made fun of me.

That was of course until a grease fire quickly spread out of control in our kitchen, and we hit it from both sides with our numerous and easily accessible fire extinguishers and saved our house.

She doesn't make fun of how many fire extinguishers I have anymore because she was able to survive thanks to my planning and ability to shrug off the "we'll never need that many fire extinguishers" comments.

This is how I'm able to just smile about your "stand in the middle and hope" strategy vs mine, and your feeble attempts to toss in low level insults.

You see, it's my job to protect my family as well as myself.

I have a plan in case a rare but critical event happens that requires me to have a tool that can avert said critical event.

You have no plan.

I hope your luck holds out, unlike the luck of these poor Canadians who probably felt the same way.