Let's put this myth to rest once and for all: The Republican Party is NOT the "pro-life" party.

Why would you want to perform an abortion on a baby? That would be murder. And yes, I define a baby as breathing and no longer attached to an umbilical cord.

 

Every single one of them were under asylum requests, making them LEGAL


Flight to Massachussetts could add problems for asylum seekers
Migrants must notify immigration court or officer of address changes

– In general, migrants that cross the border and give themselves up to Border Patrol can seek asylum.

After they are processed, they’re handed a manila envelope that contains important documents needed to plead their case for asylum.

“I’d say the basic fundamentals of the asylum cases (is) the Notice to Appear being filed with the court,” Christopher Alonso said.

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/202...ssetts-could-add-problems-for-asylum-seekers/

U.S. law provides arriving asylum seekers the right to remain in the United States while their claim for protection is pending

 

According to a study published last summer in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), a fetus is not capable of experiencing pain until 28 to 30 weeks after conception, when the nerves that carry painful stimuli to the brain have developed. Before that, the fetal reaction to a noxious stimulus is a reflex that does not involve consciousness, they write (JAMA 2005; 294:947-954).
https://journals.lww.com/neurotodayonline/fulltext/2006/01170/when_does_a_fetus_feel_pain_.3.aspx

Indeed, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) said it considers the case to be closed as to whether a fetus can feel pain at that stage in development


"The science shows that based on gestational age, the fetus is not capable of feeling pain until the third trimester," said Kate Connors, a spokesperson for ACOG. The third trimester begins at about 27 weeks of pregnancy.
https://www.livescience.com/54774-fetal-pain-anesthesia.html


Fetuses Feel Pain at 20 Weeks, and 4 Other Anti-Abortion Myths

A look at some of the bad science routinely trotted out by anti-abortion advocates.

• https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/06/science-house-abortion-ban-fetal-pain/

 

But that baby in the womb feels the pain of an abortion much earlier than when after he is born. I cannot understand why anyone would willingly allow a living thing to be tortured that way.

Unfortunately, it is not that clear cut. My niece had a premature baby five months after conception. Other than that baby being tiny, it had all the appearances of a full developed baby and could certainly feel pain.

 

In case you aren't aware of it, the entire act of being born is painful, not just for the mother, obviously, but the baby too. Now tell us your memories of that day you were born.

 

I gather that you are OK with the baby feeling the pain of being torn apart during an abortion. If that is the case, there is no point in continuing this conversation.

 

Scientific consensus says BS

The American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists has agreed with RCOG’s and the JAMA study’s findings, writing in 2012 that “upporters of fetal pain legislation only present studies which support the claim of fetal pain prior to the third trimester. When weighed together with other available information, including the JAMA and RCOG studies, supporters’ conclusion does not stand.”
https://www.factcheck.org/2015/05/does-a-fetus-feel-pain-at-20-weeks/



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The American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists has agreed with RCOG’s and the JAMA study’s findings, writing in 2012 that “upporters of fetal pain legislation only present studies which support the claim of fetal pain prior to the third trimester. When weighed together with other available information, including the JAMA and RCOG studies, supporters’ conclusion does not stand.”







https://www.factcheck.org/2015/05/does-a-fetus-feel-pain-at-20-weeks/

 

Nice strawman. No one wants the 'borders to be open for everyone. Also, when in history was the border ever 'nice and orderly'?

"that baby".

Therein likes the philosophical argument. No one disagrees on any baby being a 'living being'. The questions arises, when is the fetus a 'being', or when does a fetus become a person? No one knows and the answer can only be arrived at by court decree.

So, we can negotiate between 15 - 20 weeks, that's the best you can do.

 

If you had been following this thread, you would have noticed that my main concern was the terrible pain that baby must feel when it is being torn apart during an abortion.

 

You should see a doctor about that.

 

Doesn't matter. You can't let yourself view things from the other side of anything so there isn't really any reason to continue the disussion. Have a good night.

 

Uh no they are only here legally if they show up for there court date the overwhelming majority do not.

 

Yet here you have @Golem trying to claim that the "pro-life" label does not apply. Even when he knows that it is only applied to the abortion debate. He tries to use instances that have nothing to do with abortion as a reason that the label "pro-life" label should not be used. That is him trying to change things, which just creates confusion.

And note, I'm not just talking about "pro-life". They changed the definition of "racism" also. Racism once simply meant that someone believed that their race was superior to another race. Now it means "the systemic oppression of a racial group to the social, economic, and political advantage of another". Funnily enough its a definition that only applies to white people in the US. Because no one ever talks about that sort of "racism" in other countries. I'll admit, I had to look up that definition because I wanted to get the exact wording. And I noticed that there is another part to it. "a political or social system founded on racism and designed to execute its principles". Basically, white people are ****ed in the US. As I've seen so many SJW's say...all white people are racist....at least as it concerns America. Because again, this crap is never discussed about any other country. I admit, I say "never" is a bit hyperbolic. But not much. Only other countries that I hear about on occasion is European countries. And then only rarely...and mostly from themselves. You NEVER (non-hyperbolic) hear about it of any other, non-white dominated country. And when that is brought up here on the forums its often dismissed or ignored.

So sorry, I just don't believe its about "avoiding confusion". Its about controlling the narrative. And if you control the narrative you have power.

 

Of course its a label. Duh. Your name is a label, both real name and your online moniker. the word "chair" is a label. "table" is a label. "right-wingers" is a label. Anything named is a label. You label yourself "golem"...are you actually a golem? Or is it just a label you chose for yourself and not based on reality?

 

Statistics please.
You can't have 1% for rape and 1% when you add in all the other causes.

You se to think that 99%, of abortions ate due to promiscuity. Your opinion of women is noted. As is your turning your back on male promiscuity.

 

Does the right to life include encouraging the means to take life?
America has a very long history of taking life without a thought, from invading other countries through trying to eradicate the indigenous population for colonial greed to allowing state murder to police abuse.
Please dont tell me America cares about taking life.

 

I don't actually. I mean anyone who illegally crossed the border. The larger umbrella group all had the information of the outcome. so, again, why did they then still show up?

 

No it isn't, your link says specifically due to Republicans those checks didn't get sent out.
Democrats pass policy to assist with daycare, maternity leave etc. Republicans fight that.

 

What policies have Republicans fought for that would incentivise a woman to carry to term?

 

Not going into that. This thread is about word usage. If you wish to discuss that then re-visit one of the many other abortion threads around here or start one of your own please.

 

It contradicted your assertion.
Take it as given.

 

So, because the fetus never felt any pain, you would be OK with abortions?

 

But what incentives are Republicans supporting for her to do so if pregnancy was never desired, or if things start getting beyond affordability?

Late term Spontaneous abortions are usually due to nessessity.

 

Why should I?