The jig is up for Trump: Special Master has asked declassification details

Lol, reading comprehension fail. Try again. The only one claiming that is you. We're asking you for evidence. You are hiding from that request.

 

Sounds like we are up on it more than you. Especially since you can't actually provide a link.

 

Judge Dearie isn't f*cking around with Trump & Co's desperate bullshit.


Mar-a-Lago special master orders Trump team to back up any claims of FBI 'planting' evidence

By Marshall Cohen

Updated 4:07 PM ET, Thu September 22, 2022

"Judge Raymond Dearie, the court-appointed special master, said in a filing Thursday that Trump's team needs to submit a sworn declaration saying if they believe the Justice Department included any items on their "inventory" of materials taken from Mar-a-Lago that were not actually seized during the search.

The declaration must include "a list of any specific items set forth in the Detailed Property Inventory that Plaintiff asserts were not seized from the Premises on August 8, 2022," Dearie wrote in the order.

This has come up as an issue in the case because Trump himself, some of his attorneys, and several of his outside Republican allies have publicly claimed that the FBI planted evidence at Mar-a-Lago during the August 8 search."


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https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/22/poli...master-trump-fbi-planting-evidence/index.html

 

Keep blabbering Trump.

Snip:

"On Wednesday night, Trump suggested that the FBI planted evidence during the search. He asked Fox News' Sean Hannity, "Did they drop anything into those piles" of materials taken from Mar-a-Lago, "or did they do it later?"
When asked by Hannity if there is video of that, Trump said, "Nah, I don't think so.

The judge set a September 30 deadline for Trump's lawyers to submit this sworn declaration. He also asked the Justice Department to submit declarations attesting to key facts regarding the search."

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/22/poli...master-trump-fbi-planting-evidence/index.html

 

Special master in Mar-a-Lago case asks Trump to back up his allegation that FBI 'planted' evidence

The special master appointed to review documents federal agents seized at Donald Trump’s Florida estate has given the former president until next Friday to back up his allegation that the FBI planted evidence. Trump and his lawyers have publicly insinuated on multiple occasions without providing evidence that agents had planted evidence in their search of Mar-a-Lago on Aug. 8. In a filing Thursday, Senior U.S. District Judge Raymond J. Dearie gave Trump’s team until Sept. 30 to identify the materials that he claims were “planted" by investigators.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...SdkTL59FoZoyVZgSl+NSSpJ6WxzQPaOEHF5DTsDABAAA=

About time. He has been getting away with his BS and lies and accusations for too long. Finally he can't control everything with his false narrative. He can no longer be evasive or manipulative..... which is his usual tactic. Not that he won't try.

 

Oh he will..........keep on blabbing his BS.

 

How are Trump's people without clearances suppose to do that? Remember the documents are "marked" classified .

 

Looks like Judge Dearie is fed up with Trump team's games. If documents were planted, Trump team should be able to identify them on the list!

 

Bet Trump is unable to prove any of what he said. Mostly because he made the stuff up........(as he usually does)

The bloke has some serious character flaws. Creating and living in his fantasy world is the big one)

But alas......Fantasists don't stand the test of realty. and cannot be sustained.

 

Special Master has asked declassification details

What declassification details??? He should just ask Trump, he thought about it and poof, they were declassified. That judge is an idiot, didn't he hear Trump say that on Fox?

 

We all heard that on Fox and other sources. Seems Trump has magical mind powers

He should use some of them to get himself out his current mess........and realize that he is the author of his own problems.........and has no one to blame but himself. While a tit......learn some thins about himself and do so behavior changes.(eg: get acquainted with truth telling, integrity, and ethics.

 

Listen to Trump on Newsmax or with John Voight or any other time. Trump is milking this for all the PR propaganda it is worth.

The Fifth Amendment only applies under oath for possible criminal liability. It does not apply if one is giving public speeches or interviews on TV outlets "friendly" to him. It also does not work with civil lawsuits, especially if you are the; plaintiff in the lawsuit and must take the stand to prove your claim. This is why Judge Dearie asked for the documentation that Trump declassified the documents in the first meeting and his legal team basically was told "you cannot have your cake and eat it too." Remember, he is the one who filed a civil suit as the plaintiff for the special master.

 

He's tormenting the lying crybaby blowhard with questions he can't answer.

Asking about his baseless smear that incited his goons to threaten to kill public servants doing their job in the interest of national security is a good one.

Special master asks Trump team to back up claim FBI planted evidence​

 

That's the whole gist of the problem, both the government and the Trump Team have said they have no idea what the documents actually are.(Okay, the government said 'some'. but some is not a quantifiable number.) so even if the Trump Team did want to specifically address this request, it would be tremendously difficult to do so.

Let's piece together what we know, and see if we can understand what's happening: Several people who helped Trump out(Meadows, etc.) were charged with moving the documents(Katel, etc.). None of these crucially are members of Trump's present counsel. These players are the ones that should be under subpoena if the government wants to actually charge those who removed the documents.

But for the purposes of the civil case, they are the only ones who know with specificity which documents are what. And what, if anything had been placed without their knowledge. But even the Movers wouldn't be able to fulfill their role completely(and Dearie's unsolicited request) without first reviewing what the FBI took(I doubt A22 for example is descriptive enough for them to know what that means) and then backtracking it to something that maybe they'd written down or something. )

TLDR: It would be almost next to impossible for the Trump Team to fulfill Dearie's request, and even with the redacted order it's still not within his purview. I would tell him that in short order, because it's not like the government will actually relent to a request to compare the files that they say they can't see.

 

He still doesn't get to keep the documents. PRA says 'no'.

Did you not read the ruling of the Appeals Court?

Read it again:


In any event, at least for these purposes, the declassification argument
is a red herring because declassifying an official document would not
change it's content or render it personal.

What that means, popscott, by not being 'rendered personal' is that Trump is NOT entitled to own the documents.

The court continues:

So even if we assumed that Plaintiff [Trump] did declassify some of all
of the documents, that would not explain why he has a personal interest
in them...he has not identified any reason that he is entitled to them.

That ruling means that the documents in question are to be returned to the government.

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000183-625b-da48-a3e3-e2ff83050000

 

The marked classified docs are directed by the 11th Circuit Appellate court to return to the Government. So, nothing left is marked.

 

Everything you mention is resolved in Dearie's Case Management Plan

https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/dearie-case-management-plan.pdf

 

Nope

11th Circuit Appellate court ordered marked documents to be returned to the government.

:Trump failed to declare what his interest in the documents are and declassification doesn't render them 'personal'. so the declassification issue is a red herring.

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000183-625b-da48-a3e3-e2ff83050000

 

Scotpoop had weeks to digest the facts, but never got them. Do you think he'll get them now? Nah!

 

At this point, you may wish to allow generally-acknowledged reality to take precedent over the parallel one you contrive, and allow Trump and his actual attorneys to explain how the election denier came to have classified government documents stashed at his resort, what he had done with the content of emptied Top Secret files, and other such pertinent questions, i.e., "What is his legal basis for claiming that his merely 'thinking' declassification makes it so?"

The matter of America's national security transcends the loser's flailing his victim cards, the bleating of his tabloid cheerleaders, his weird worship, his vendetta sprees, and his grievance festivals.

In the realm of U.S. jurisprudence, we cross over from the Twilight Zone.

 

Nope... already decided in 2012... The president determines what is his...

Remember.... MARKED classified...

 

MARKED as classified...eat it up my liberal friend...

Here let someone explain it to you..

Wrong ... the judge ruled Clinton could keep any records he wants...
The Judge ruled in 2012 that a president's discretion to declare records "personal" is far-reaching and mostly unchallengeable.
video here
https://justthenews.com/politics-po...-tapes-bill-clintons-sock-drawer-could-impact

https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1560234754292813827

 

Hahahahahaha! Solomon and Fitton, rotflmao, the two B/S artists!

 

With the same logic, how could Trump claim that documents were planted?

 

hhhhmmmm let's play word games... words have meaning...

Mar-a-Lago search inventory shows documents marked as classified mixed with clothes, gifts, press clippings
https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/02/poli...ventory-from-the-mar-a-lago-search/index.html

The appellate court granted the DOJ’s request to exclude roughly 100 records that were marked classified from the special master’s review.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlie...an-review-classified-records/?sh=22fb537f7a56

The department is seeking to resume its review of records marked classified that were seized from Trump's Palm Beach resort Mar-a-Lago in an FBI raid.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...ar-a-lago-doj-tells-appeals-court/ar-AA124HPP