The jig is up for Trump: Special Master has asked declassification details

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  1. Hey Now

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    What i noticed in the interview with Hannity, when he made this "planted" claim, Hannity then asked if the "MAL tapes" would show it and Trump very quickly dismissed that with a no. He doesn't want the MAL tapes to be public.
     
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    He isn't going to do anything that will stand in the way of his continual victim act. For such a 'tough guy', he certainly plays the victim a lot, doesn't he?
     
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    Oh yeah, he is the LOUDEST whining victim and that's why his following is so strong with the 3/10. He amplifies them..
    FOX news trained them and he has exploited it for every penny.
     
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    Trump's fanatical apologists are squirming and writhing, but we have crossed over from the twilight zone of blowhard bloviating to the empirical reality of evidence.

    Elie Honig, a former federal prosecutor, said that Dearie was seeking to expose Trump's falsehoods:

    "The power of our courts is they have a way of bringing out truth. Perhaps a person can get away with fudging the truth in their public statements, in the media, in their private life, in their business. But when you step into a court, ultimately, the judge or the jury will say, fine, that's your allegation, now prove it."
    Trumpery is about to be shattered.

     
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    In the courtroom (and everywhere else) the burden of proof always rests with the claimant. "the FBI planted them", "they were declassified (by mental magic)", "they're mine", etc. all require legitimate supporting evidence. Hot air doesn't qualify as supporting evidence.
     
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    As regards the 20020 presidential election.

    Fifty states certified their results that were formally acknowledged by the U.S. Congress with the Vice President presiding (following aditional confirmation by recounts, audits, investigations, and dozens of court challenges.)

    Deniers have yet to contrive even a remotely credible explanation of how their "Landslide!" theft was achieved, or name a single suspect in the vast, clandestine conspiracy.

    Reality vs Fantasy. The former prevails, even for those who much prefer the latter.
     
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    So what?
     
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  10. popscott

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    I know this won't make any sense to you ..... but they are MARKED classified, not that they are classified..... but that fact will just go right over your head... as Ratcliffe explained... even the Russiagate documents were not at the classified level they were marked... but that is a moot point cause Trump declassified them.. and don't forget the DOJ showed you a picture of folders... not documents, in their photo op...because the DOJ will play this little game to the end.... only THEY can see the documents THEY SAY are MARKED classified...



    and here is some more if what even further details
    https://www.archives.gov/isoo/policy-documents/cnsi-eo.html#three[/QUOTE]

    The document are MARKED classified... not are classified.... you are taking this hook, line, and sinker..
    Trump declassified the documents... look in the Federal Register
    White House memo from Meadows...
    His memorandum..
    https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...to-the-fbis-crossfire-hurricane-investigation
    https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.go...lated-fbis-crossfire-hurricane-investigation/


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    The document are MARKED classified... not are classified.... you are taking this hook, line, and sinker..
    Trump declassified the documents... look in the Federal Register
    White House memo from Meadows...
    His memorandum..
    https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...to-the-fbis-crossfire-hurricane-investigation
    https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.go...lated-fbis-crossfire-hurricane-investigation/


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    Sorry but they are marked classified so they are classified.
     
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  12. Patricio Da Silva

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    Those were the ones a that Trump wanted for himself. Remember? They were the whole reason for Trump asking for a Special Master, to DELAY. the criminal investigation.


    See? Those marked documents are needed by the DOJ to proceed with their criminal investigation, the one that Trump wanted to stall by asking for a Special Master.


    But, Appeals court ordered those docs back to the government and therefore Trump won't be able to stall the investigation.

    But he HE STILL HAS TO PAY FOR THE SPECIAL MASTER TO SORT OUT THE 11K OTHER DOCS, the docs no one cares about, so he's stuck with a huge bill and didn't get to delay the criminal investigation.

    See, popscott? Do you understand what is going on, now? Do you?

    The court does not recognize your 2012 link because there is NO PROOF they are pertinent to the marked documents and Trump refuses to provide it. .

    Therefore, the MARKED documents are being returned to the Government.

    Got that, popscott?

    Hmmmm?

    I don't think you do understand.
     
  13. Patricio Da Silva

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    My gawd, talk about cognitive dissonance:

    Those MARKED docs were the ones a that Trump wanted for himself. Remember? They were the whole reason for Trump asking for a Special Master, to DELAY. the criminal investigation.


    See? Those marked documents are needed by the DOJ to proceed with their criminal investigation, the one that Trump wanted to stall by asking for a Special Master.


    But, Appeals court ordered those docs back to the government and therefore Trump won't be able to stall the investigation.

    But he HE STILL HAS TO PAY FOR THE SPECIAL MASTER TO SORT OUT THE 11K OTHER DOCS, the docs no one cares about, so he's stuck with a huge bill and didn't get to delay the criminal investigation.

    See, popscott? Do you understand what is going on, now? Do you?

    The Appeals court does not recognize your 2012 link because there is NO PROOF they are pertinent to the marked documents and Trump refuses to provide it.

    Therefore, the MARKED documents are being returned to the Government.

    Got that, popscott?

    Hmmmm?

    I don't think you do understand.
     
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  14. popscott

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    Marked documents does not mean they are classified. keep twisting my liberal friend... you are eating up what they are feeding you...

    I find it outright laughable that Hillary skates because her 3 documents had a "C" on them and they were "marked " classified... but with Trump the whole issue turns 180..
     
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  15. Patricio Da Silva

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    Yes, because of theft, volume of theft, severity of damage to national security is why Trump is under scrutiny. Note that he's not been charged.

    However.....


    Classification is a red herring --- 11th Circuit Court of Appeals.

    The MARKED documents have been returned to the government and the criminal investigation Trump tried to stall resumes. Those were the ones Trump wanted. He doesn't get them but he still has to pay for the Special Master on the 11k other docs no one cares about.

    WTFU.jpg


    Hillary did not steal any documents.
     
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    Strange how you are blind to Hillary having classified documents open to the world..... up to Top Secret and SAP... that were hacked.. with no government security.. There may very well be people lost their lives from her stupidity...

    But the FBI photo OP had folders "marked" classified, with the very possibility they were empty folders.... sitting in a double locked room collecting mold with SS security... 24/7. Who lost their lives here?
     
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    What part of :

    "The Marked documents have been returned to the DOJ per Appellate court ruling"

    "Trump's attempt to stall the criminal investigation failed"


    "Classification of documents is irrelevant to a 793 indictment"


    do you not understand?
     
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    Saw that too. Seems those MRL should be examined.... as they might just provide some factual answers.

    Can't get them from Donny (Pinocchio)
     
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    and this is not about Hillary. When they bring up Hillary........the are saying that they have no defense for Pinocchio's behavior. and play the distraction game. It does not work.
     
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    Makes sense Dearie gets assistance and it will shorten the review time.
    Read elsewhere that it will cost Trump ( his supporters lol) 500.00 an hour.

    LEGAL

    Special master calls for help in Trump Mar-a-Lago documents fight
    "The former president also gets a deadline to produce any proof of tampering during the FBI search last month."

    Snip:


    "U.S. District Court Judge Raymond Dearie, a New York City-based jurist named by a federal judge in Florida to act as a so-called special master in the review of more than 11,000 documents the FBI confiscated, proposed on Thursday that former Magistrate Judge James Orenstein help with the process.

    The undersigned has determined that the efficient administration of the Special Master’s duties requires the assistance of the Honorable James Orenstein,” Dearie’s proposed plan for the document review said. The order said Orenstein “has experience with complex case management, privilege review, warrant procedures, and other matters that may arise in the course of the Special Master’s duties.”

    Orenstein spent 16 years as a federal magistrate in the same Brooklyn courthouse where Dearie sits. Orenstein drew attention several years ago for his role in what was semi-sarcastically dubbed “the magistrates’ revolt” — rulings from a smattering of federal magistrate judges across the country questioning government tactics in warrant applications seeking electronic data."


    cont:
    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/22/special-master-trump-mar-a-lago-magistrate-00058437
     
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    That's quite cheap! I wouldn't do it for twice that amount.:wink::lol:
     
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    How is that working out for you? The special master has already ruled against the Trump Legal Team on the 100 or so classified docs when the Trump legal team has refused to provide evidence for declassification. Now that same special master is asking the Trump legal team for proof that the DOJ planted the evidence by September 30th. I don't think they have proof and will probably make a big fuss about it. And finally, by the end of October, this whole special master will be done with his recommendations, which I think will not go favorably for the Trump legal team.
     
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