The Gov won't save our nation? The Gov is going to bail out FLorida

Pence not giving into Trump's pressure to delay the EC vote is much different than the lie of the Eastman memo where the Eastman memo stated that Pence was to be given 'different' EC certificates by the Trump Administration.

 

You mean Trump haters in the house which includes 2 neocons and dems, to do their jobs?

 

Conservatives care that people are on welfare but don't hate people who are on welfare like neocons like Liz Cheney, G.W.Bush, George Will, Lindsey Graham, Mitch McConnel and Mitt Romney, for examples, hate people who're on welfare. You need to exmine neocons not conservatives nor the major majority of the GOP when you complain about GOP states which have high incidences of welfare. Like I posted before, the squeaky wheel (neocons) gets the grease or the attention.

You need to be able to differentiate between conservatives and neocons.

 

Which has little to do with my initial rebuttal to false claim. About it being the lefts tool. When the red states are some of the biggest welfare users.

 

Which has in turn absolutely nothing to do with who created it and established rules and proceedures under which it operated.

 

Rules and procedures change or can be changed.
It would seem red states made it easy to have some of the highest welfare recipients. Again, blows your claim out of the water.

Are states forced to take welfare money?
I don't think they are.

 

Red States should be. They should be compelled to do SOMETHING to benefit their citizens

 

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/welfare-recipients-by-state

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They already are some of the highest recipients of welfare.
The good ole, we take responsibility for ourselves, have some of the most dependent citizens in their states.

 

Uh nope. And many red states were blue in whole or in part until quite recently.

 

So what if red states have the most welfare cases? Unless you're a neocon, you don't care if there's a huge number of welfare cases. Most current GOPs don't care about the number of welfare cases. Only neocons (IMO, approx. 9% of the GOP) care about number of welfare cases.

 

So, you are in the camp of conservatives who endorse welfare. I think that puts you in the 9%, at least publicly.

So, welfare is now all about the conservatives you endorse?

 

And were high on welfare then. Basically, the current MAGA crowd is largely welfare states.

 

But they have to be changed at the federal level. A d they pretty much are forced to be part of the program.

 

Don't put words into my mouth. I (and most conservatives) don't endorse welfare. We just don't hate someone for being on welfare.

I can remember my right libertarian father always getting on me to get a job when I was unemployed but he never hated me for being unemployed...Hating someone for being unemployed is the neocons' (the 9% of GOPs) job, IMO.

 

What a states gets does not have to be changed at the federal level when it comes to welfare money.
I asked you if states are force to take federal welfare money. You did not answer that as yes or no.

But you seem to imply Tx is forced to take welfare money. I don't buy it, but you can prove it, can you? You are implying it. I think you might be wrong.

 

Your words are your own words. You typed them.
Whether you endorse it or not does not matter.
Red states are some of the highest welfare users in the country.
Do you vote R? Those that take welfare money?
If you live in the south, it's very likely.

 

Who cares? You don't care (unless that welfare point helps the polling of an opposing dem in a political race). Most GOPs don't care. Neocons or, IMO, 9% of the GOP cares.

 

You didn't read. I said they are pretty much forced to be part of the program and if they don't take the money they can't afford to fund the law required bureaucracy that goes with it without the federal money. Look up unfunded federal mandates sometime.

 

So you are a fan of welfare. OK. Thx.
Everyone knows the RW are all about welfare.
I am not sure why more don't just admit it like you did.

 

How are states forced to take welfare money?
You didn't answer that.
You look up unfunded mandates sometime. Or link to it.

 

Conservatives are bothered about someone on welfare but conservatives don't hate someone for being on welfare. Just like you don't hate someone for being on welfare. I suspect, the reason for your OP was to rile up the 9% of 'squeaky wheel' neocons in the GOP?

BYW, I'm not conservative. I'm centrist. I just had a dad who was a right-libertarian even though he insisted he was a Republican.

 

My objections to welfare are simple. It is abused.

I go through the check out line at the grocery store. Welfare recipients pay for essentials using welfare funds. Then they pay separately for junk which I would never buy and that money could have been used for essentials.

 

What OP is mine?
And MAGA crowd election deniers are all republican. No centrist falls for the trump lies. You believe trump, do you not?

 

Hmm, that makes the whole system that actually don't abuse it and actually need it objectionable?
Have you ever reported that scam to any authority? Especially the store that is allowing using funds they are not intended to be used for?

I assume, you are referring to food stamps(or whatever they are called today)?

 

It is not illegal.

Have you never observed the same thing? Have you ever reported it.