Ron DeSantis jumps into the 2024 presidential race

The question is, are those avid MAGA Trumpers, his followers more loyal to him or to the Republican Party? It seems 2 impeachments, 1-6, the Manhattan indictments, the E. Jean Carrol trial, the possiblity of more indictments and trials hasn't eroded their faith in Trump one bit. I said all along those Avid MAGA Trumpers are following the man, loyal to the man, not conservative ideals or values or even the Republican Party.

 

I'd say thats right a majority of the time but if someone really likes a candidate not associated with their party they might swing. Tulsi G for example. one of those most non-woke level-headed democrats to campaign for President. Unfortunately for her she wasn't loony enough to appease her base.

 

Looks like we are both in agreement that it’s a long way to go.

 

While I do not claim to speak for the Left, nor do I think that you can speak for all on the Right. I can tell you that you misinderstand, or misrepresent, the difference between Left & Right, as being that the Right is "virtuous," and that the Left is unconcerned with virtue, because we "are so bent on outlawing things." This is a statement of yours, it is hard to write, with a straight face, as it is so preposterously out of keeping with truth-- which is, BTW, a virtue. Are you not aware of all the Republican "outlawing," of abortion; of its assaults on drag shows; of its book banning, and of its restrictions of speech in classrooms, to avoid all sorts of subjects, because the Right is uncomfortable with those truths?

What you really mean, is that everything the Right fights against, is a justified, holy cause, and everything the Left fights to "outlaw," is because of, at best, being terribly misguided or, at worst, is because of some sinister plan of ours, to either destroy or control society. It is this attitude of yours which, in truth, sums up the difference between Right and Left.

A virtue, which is considered highly by the Left, though which seems generally rejected, on the Right, is understanding that perspectives of other human beings, even if they disagree with our own, may be of merit; IOW, that no one has the right to lay down for everyone else, how they must think. Do you not recognize that those who push for gun regulation, feel that this will benefit society, just as you view abortion restrictions? Of course, it is far from just "progressives," who support gun reform... and also, who are in favor of abortion access: not "on demand" access, for the full nine months, but a reasonable degree of access. Also, it is a far greater imposition, you support, to force a woman to carry a child to term, than it is, to expect a person to undergo a background check, for instance, before being permitted to buy a potentially deadly firearm. So it seems like treating others, as you would want to be treated yourself, is another arrow of virtue, absent from your righteous quiver.

 

Well, my, admittedly, small-sample size yardstick for MAGA Trumpers is the Trump supporter who lives at the corner of my road. His Trump flag was up since 2016. Then, it came down for a couple of weeks after 1/6, after which it went up again. After the midterms of 2022, it went down again, for about a month or two, but in early 2023, it was up again. Yesterday, the flag went down. I wonder when we'll see the DeSantis flag.

You see, the behavior of these MAGA Trump supporters is entirely predictable by what they see on Fox News. In the end, if Trump is kicked to the curb (I am not saying it will happen), it will be entirely Fox's doing.

 

If and buts candy and nuts. Fact dem control the metro's, fact the metro's are the worst education in America. The only thing that helps them are private schools not ruled by the wacko woke running the public schools. Bottom line the Dems own the teachers union, which owns the teachers, the dems own the metro school boards, which set's the curriculum for their teachers. The dems own the educational system that is literally taken us to the toilet versus the world.

 

That would make sense until you look at blue states far exceeding red states. But whatever you need to tell yourself.

 

I think you're giving FoxNews way too much credit. What concerns me most is swing voters, independents. They decide general elections. They went for Trump in 2016, he won, for Biden in 2020, Biden won. 2024 is a pure tossup as swing voters don't want neither Trump nor Biden. DeSantis could become the alternitive to both Trump and Biden, but first DeSantis must win the GOP nomination. Today that looks bleak. But who knows what it will look like at the beginning of the year? I think DeSantis foolishness in Florida has hurt him some among swing voters. Two months ago DeSantis was viewed positive by independents 40% favorable/32% unfavorable. Today it's 39% favorable, 40% unfavorable, still a lot better than Biden among swing voters 35% favorable, 58% unfavorable and Trump, 38% favorable, 56% unfavorable.

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/ifywkae5dt/econTabReport.pdf

The problem with DeSantis is a lot of folks don't know who he is. That could be good, it could be bad. Time will tell.

 

Doesn't the Left use echo chambers?

 

What could your neighbor see on Fox that would make him schizophrenic over a Trump flag? Btw, how do you know what TV station he watches or even if he watches TV? You probably won't believe this but most of Trump's base who has stayed with him through thick and thin have abandoned or condemns Fox News.

 

From my POV no one in the current primary field has the authority (presence and skills) to deal with Trump directly. And this particular primary will be completely about dominance

There is no place for the risk adverse. Yes. That describes DeSantis and his campaign. He announces playing second fiddle to the erratic Musk, in a way the reaches very few voters
and keeps his horrendous retail skill out of view.

I believe this primary process will simply serve to diminish the nominee (especially Trump and DeSantis) in the general.

 

Why don't do some research on the timeline instead of knee jerking yourself. Lots of hits. As for swallowing, looks like you can't debate the post that caused this "type" of limited response. Helps on the way.

 

His odds.are.not great this time around but ma.boy is young and will get his turn

 

The part of Trump's image, that he has been unlawfully persecuted by these weaponized agencies, has been proven and absolutely true. The fact he wants to attack people that do not show complete, undying allegiance to him is what turns off a lot of voters including myself. Our Founding Fathers had differences yet they worked together to get things done. I have yet to hear DeSantis waste his time attacking other Republicans yet his vision is very clear. Reagan would approve!

 

Yeah.

Trump is a victim who organizes riots to overthrow the government and stay in power....

 

Hey, it's not rocket science. The same progression happened on this forum after 1/6, righties were initially condemning the riot, until a few weeks later Fox News had convinced them that it was all Antifa's, Pelosi's, the deep state's, Dem's fault, and that the 1/6 rioters were just harmless tourists taking selfies in the Capitol. Heck, if you'd take a poll among forum righties today, that same opinion would still prevail. As I said, it's not rocket science, it just takes some common sense to figure out the psychology behind Trumpism.

 

Media’s touch has been showing clips of MAGA republicans who are also flat earthers

There is some dumb too deep to plumb

 

He is over seventy, lives on an unhealthy diet although he golf it is mostly via a golf buggy and I really really doubt he is going to stay in your country to face jail. Thank goodness Australia has extradition with the USA

 

Nah! Think Rupert. It is not called a “media empire” for nothing

 

Ron is 44 years old. WTF are you going off about?

 

Many many apologies! Thought you were a Trump man. Ron won’t win though. This election will loom large on a couple of issues and a big one will be abortion. Those stories of young women at risk of or actually dying are not going to get fewer. Each story will burn at one more “ pro lifer”. One more person will be asking “why can’t we save the babies and the moms?

 

How do you explain that he's struggling against Trump when many polls give him a better chance against Biden?

 

And Dim Son seems to be part of the DeSantis caravan...??

https://twitter.com/i/status/1661883521546481666

 

When was that proven to be true?

 

The GOP cutting off their nose in spite of their race (by not getting rid of Trump)...