Ron DeSantis jumps into the 2024 presidential race

Trump is All Class...

 

You mean, by telling vicious truths?

It is the most extreme MAGA voters, who will control the Primaries, which means that whoever wins, will have extremist views. Though DeSantis looks less like a winner, every day, all that would be needed to defeat him, would be to highlight his record, as governor. And the country already knows what kind of man Trump is, unfortunately...or fortunately.*





*This is a reference to a remark Trump made, in his deposition for his recent trial for defamation and sexual assault, after being asked about his prior comment that, if you're famous, women just let you grab them by the p**** and do whatever you want to them. Trump said that he thought this was the truth, "unfortunately, or fortunately."

A real class act.

 

I love how you start out by assuming Democrats will tell the truth.

Can you give me one reason why I should read the rest of your post when you start out with that laughable premise?

 

The point, was that all Democrats would need to use against either Trump or DeSantis, would be the truth. What lie are they going to feel compelled to tell-- that they would sign abortion bans? Oh, wait, DeSantis just signed a 6 week ban.
And, after promising to appoint only Justices who would oppose abortion, Trump has already taken full credit for its overturning. Democrats can damn those two with their own words!

 

As opposed to the GOP "Truth Tellers"?

 

Either one of them could just say the truth that Biden didn't want his children growing up in a racial jungle or that you're not black if you don't vote for him.

The funny thing about truth, is that it presents a very sharp double-edged sword

 

It is rather astonishing to see that one of the contenders has the possibility of ending up in jail...........And HE has the most favorable numbers. Are there any qualifications' / requirements that a contender must have before going for the top job?? ....... that is beside bucketful's of bucks. It seems to speak to the state that society is in now.

 

Not even close to equal. Everybody knew about Biden's, "if you don't vote for me" gaffe, last election, and it didn't seem to hold him back. Plus, some comment Biden made, about forced bussing, back in the 1970s? Do you hear yourself? Again, that is old news.

We have Trump on tape not only bragging about sexually assaulting women, but a jury just found him guilty of doing just that. The equivalent you are looking for, would be if Adam Schiff was running, and Republicans had him on tape, saying, "I totally made up the whole Trump Russia collusion hoax."

So what lies are Dems going to tell about DeSantis-- that he has a soft spot for those who attacked our Capitol? He just recently said that he'd consider pardons for January 6th participants. That is something that some people would find disqualifying. And, outside of the MAGA fold, book banning, is not a good look.

 

ah, I see you bring up Biden in a DeSantis thread.... guess you now see that comparing Presidents and Presidential candidates to past Presidents and current Presidents is normal on a political site

 

Funny. Even though Florida is the state with the third highest population, so the criticism doesn't mean very much-- it's still funny, Trump said it.

 

You know what? I am tired of explaining to proud conspiracy theorists, all the problems with the unsupported allegations, which they accept articles of faith. Since you can't use reason to change their minds, I'm just going to take the path of least resistance, and play along. When one of them asks me how I could vote for the President who is in China's picket, or some such, I'm just going to answer, "Biden Crime family-- you don't cross them, if you know what's good for you."

 

With Trump, first one must understand today’s political era we’ve entered of polarization, the great divide, the super, mega, ultra-high partisanship. Where a third of each major party thinks the other party is this nation’s number one enemy out to destroy the country. More of an enemy than China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, terrorist, ISIS, AQ, etc.


Republicans were angry when they chose Trump. Not angry at Democrats, but their own party elected officials and leaders. In their view, their party’s leaders and elected officials were doing enough to stop the Democrats. They were rolling over and playing dead for Obama and company. Trump was a fighter; he wouldn’t take any lip. He wouldn’t lie down; he was always on the offensive. Trump didn’t have any political philosophy of his own, the 7-time party switcher had always adopted the political ideology of the party he belonged to at the time. He still doesn’t have a political philosophy of his own.


Trump filled the void of angry Repurchase who wanted to fight back, stop being nice. They didn’t care what he believed in, just that he was a fighter that wouldn’t go down. Whatever Trump is accused of, his followers don’t believe it, it’s always a Democratic conspiracy to get rid of Trump, a Democratic vendetta against Trump. Trump is the persecuted one for no valid reason. Only for political revenge for Trump having defeated the Democratic queen Hillary Clinton in 2016. There’s much more, one could write a book, this this is just some of the highlights. It can all be traced to this modern political era we’ve entered of polarization, the great divide and the super, mega, ultra-high partisanship.


This also has a lot to do with both major parties shrinking being filled with ideologues as the more moderates has deserted them. For your information, since 2006 independents have grown from 30% of the electorate to 44% today as folks who aren’t ideologues leave both major parties.

 

Addressing the bolded part of your post for brevity only.
Not everyone who voted for Trump is/was angry nor are they naive.
There has been a conspiracy, and a huge effort on the parts of the left and establishment right to get rid of Trump. I can think of one current forum thread that addresses it. It's the current news thread on Durham's conclusions. You might want to search for the thread on how the FBI worked with Twitter to silence conservative voice, re: Hunter Biden's laptop, right before the 2020 election.

I think it's horrible for the country the way the Democrats are still painting with the broad brush, labeling, marginalizing one half of the electorate as extreme MAGA Republicans. It's a divisive, cheap gimmick meant to shame voters while pretending their own **** doesn't stink. If anything, it makes people even more determined to fight back and vote for Trump. So keep up the good work, Democrats. You, the collective you, reap what you sow.


Just a few thoughts on this lovely Friday morning.

 

I read that in the first 24 hours after Gov. DeSantis announced, his campaign brought in $8.2 million.

 

I speak in generalities, I never mean all.

 

1) Nobody ever said (at least that I know of) that half of the electorate are extreme MAGA Republicans. In fact, not even half of the electorate are Republicans. That's why they have not won the popular vote since 2004, and back then it was unusual circumstance due to the fear from 9/11. Of course, the RW media make it SOUND like Dems accuse ALL of them to be MAGA Republicans.

2) Actual MAGA Republicans get exactly what they deserve. Chanting "f Joe Biden" in public is not sane behavior. Flying the "f Joe Biden" flag isn't either. Even flying the Trump 2020 or 2024 flag when there is no election season is not normal behavior.

3) I have said it before, I think most of those MAGA Republicans are actually decent people, they believe they have good intentions for the US, however, they have been coopted by RW media, most importantly Fox News, to despise their fellow citizens who are not on the Trump train. Fox News teaches them every night that Dems and their voters are the enemies of the US and, therefore MAGA Republicans' enemies.

Now, if MAGA Republicans want to cry victim that the non RW media shames them, that's up to them. However, if you REALLY want to change things, put away the Trump flag. I never had a Biden sign in 2020, and if I had, I'd have put it away the day after the election. That's the difference. If you are an extremist, then don't complain when other people call you out for it.

 

Fake News. DeSantis banned no books. Check with Amazon, you can order them, and download them, immediately, even if you are Floridian. Making things up like this might be a symptom of deep insecurity, but then you have Kackles and Rigged Joe, so such insecurity is warranted.

THE RUSSIA COLLUSION HOAX LIVES ON. OR DOES IT?

'Years after the claim was exposed as a clumsy fraud, most Democrats still believe that Donald Trump likely colluded with the Russians during the 2016 election.'

Weird. It's an obvious and well-known fraud.

The first part pertains only to Democrats (everyone else largely knows that it was a fraud)

'The first question in the survey asked, “How likely is it that Donald Trump’s presidential campaign colluded with Russian agents during the 2016 election?” Forty-three percent (43%) believed it was likely, including 26% who thought it was Very Likely. Forty-seven percent (47%) said Trump-Russian collusion was unlikely, including 38% who believe it was Not At All Likely.'

'Two-thirds (67%) of Democrats thought it was at least somewhat likely the 2016 Trump campaign colluded with Russian agents, as did 24% of Republicans [!] and 37% of voters not affiliated with either major party.'

But the survey’s second question apparently changed some minds:

'Special Counsel John Durham recently completed an investigation that found the FBI was aware Hillary Clinton’s campaign was the source for claims about Trump and Russian collusion, which had no basis in evidence. Should FBI officials involved in promoting the false Russia-Trump claims be criminally prosecuted?'

'[A]fter hearing a one-sentence description of the Durham investigation’s findings (i.e., that officials knew the Clinton campaign was the source for the false claims), even 44% of voters who previously said Trump-Russian collusion was Very Likely were in favor of prosecuting the FBI officials involved. Among those who said Trump-Russian collusion was Very Unlikely, 91% want criminal prosecution for FBI officials who promoted the false claims.'

'Voters are fine with prosecuting the FBI:'

'Seventy-four percent (74%) of Republicans, 45% of Democrats and 60% of unaffiliated voters believe FBI officials involved in promoting the false Russia-Trump claims should be criminally prosecuted.'

Finally, this:

'Reacting to the report, George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley called the Russian collusion charge against Trump “a well-orchestrated hit job by the Clinton campaign and government officials.” Sixty-three percent (63%) of voters agree with Turley’s description, including 48% who Strongly Agree. Thirty percent (30%) disagree, including 19% who Strongly Disagree with the “well-orchestrated hit job” description.'

Looks like a two man race to me, and while I prefer Ron, if my fellow primary voters choose Don, then he'll surely have my support if the Dems don't run RFK.

 

How 'supposed' is the liberal tilt:

 

LOL-- So you're saying that not knowing that that collusion with Russia was a "hoax"-- and just because something is not proven, does not mean it had been a hoax, but OK, let's go with that definition of yours-- would then be just like the way, everyone except Republicans, knows that the "Stolen 2020 election," was nothing but a Big LIE.

 

Russian Collusion was a hoax, are still confused about that?

The FBI/CIA and the lying fake news media colluded to rig the election and install Bribed Joe. Are you also still confused about that?

 

I don't think so because whoever the GOP nominee is, even Donald Duck, they both will vote for the GOP nominee like good party members.

 

So do leftists run the police unions too? How about all the news media outlets? or corporations? or small businesses? or whatever you can think of?

Geez, you might as well as replace "leftist" with "Jews" and you will fit right at home with neonazi groups who use the same argument, just different objects to explain their conspiracy theory.

 

The point is that the person whom Arkans is referring to is the type of supporter Ron DeSantis or Trump wants. Nothing more, nothing less.

And unfortunately, there are people out there who actually think the world is flat, and hold political office. Think about that for a moment.

 

A lot of those are state/local issues at the moment because they are reacting to what is happening in their state, in the media, and what is being fed by traditional and social media outlets. But for national politics, yes, none of the social/woke issues is going to be a top issue come November. It will be a top issue for the GOP nomination though. And when November comes, recession, jobs, trade, and immigration, in general, will be the deciding factors come November. Neither party has an advantage until the Dems can get their messaging on track with these issues and offer reasonable solutions not confined by the progressive wing of the DNC.

 

He can still be allowed as a candidate and may even still win, even if he is convicted. There is nothing in the US Law that prevents him from NOT running. Take for instance Jim Trafficant, who still ran, while in Jail, as an independent.