The global backlash against The Little Mermaid proves why we needed a Black Ariel

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  1. Rampart

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    congratulations, ym, you actually saw the movie before having an opinion.
     
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    It's almost physically impossible that Andersen never met a black person. He was well-travelled. And even if he hadn't been, it's not like Denmark was 100% white. And it doesn't really matter. The Disney stuff was already worlds apart from what Andersen actually wrote. It was never meant to be a faithful adaptation, even in the previous cartoon. Jacking with tradition is generally fine and is frequently only a "danger" due to regressive backlash.
     
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    Can you post get any more disingenuous?

    You get caught straight out fabricating misinformation about the budget and earnings of the movies and then you have the nerve to tell other people they're making something up.

    https://www.thewrap.com/celebrities-who-have-been-accused-of-cultural-appropriation-photos/
     
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    Your rant is dumb for a number of reasons.

    First, mermaids are fictional characters, just like elves, dwarves, wizards, sorcerers, leprechauns and conservatives with self awareness, so it wouldn’t matter. Comparing them to Tiana is stupid since a regular person in New Orleans is not fictional.

    Second, Spawn, Blade and Black Panther have always been black per the comics, and BP in particular is written specifically to be a black African king and has been since his debut in 1966 in a Fantastic Four comic. In other words, race swapping arguments don’t work there.

    Third, there actually was a black Little Mermaid retelling story back in the 90s on this HBO family show called “Happily Ever After: Fairy Tales for Every Child,” so really this isn’t a brand spanking new idea.

    Fourth, no one in this thread was ever going to see this movie anyway, so there’s no point in complaining.
     
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    Which are crashing like a hundred pound anchor on a ten foot canoe.
     
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    But, but....they need to be upset about something. This happens to be the crisis du jour
     
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    Much appreciated. Honestly, I don't normally care about changing the race of a character if the race of the character isn't actually an important plot point. I actually liked Ridley Scott's movie about Moses and especially liked the way Ramses was portrayed, even though he was white. I'm also a big fan of Jesus Christ Superstar and the racial casting there is all over the place. Despite being a big fan of the original Ghost in the Shell (both the manga and the anime) I didn't like ScarJo's version, but it had nothing to do with her race. I can see the argument for complaining about it if the race of the character is actually important to the story or if we're talking about an actual historical figure, but even with the later I'm kind of "meh."

    As for this movie, I'd probably have liked it better if I saw it in 3d. So much of the film is CG that I think that could have made a difference. The standouts for me were that 1) Eric was actually an interesting character in this one and there was a REASON for them to be attracted to one another beyond the physical 2) They gave Ariel more agency in her conflicts 3) I mentioned this already but they corrected a very big plot hole from the original 3) Flounder's voice actor was just incredible in that role 4) I loved the redesign of Sebastian and the attention to detail that went into his swimming animations 5) King Triton was BOSS level 6) Ursula was just great.

    It isn't my favorite Disney film, and it didn't improve on the original as much as the live action Mulan did, but it was a lot of fun and it was a great date night.
     
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    Well traveled,? Not that I remember. Denmark is almost 95% now. What do you think it was in say 1830?
     
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    Answer the question, or don't, but trying to make it about me is childish. As the the budget, you can google "little mermaid production cost" and find the number I quoted, so to accuse me of fabricating something is also pretty lame & childish. As for the earning, I get the same number no matter what search words I use, so you'll have to back up your accusation with something.

    How the heck can you get so angry about seeing a black actress in a movie? Listen to yourself, and not just today, but every day.
     
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    The projection is so thick you could cut it with a dull spoon.

    Did you fail to notice the link at the bottom of my post or are you going to accuse me about black people again?

    I provided a link to my claim but I noticed that you still haven't provided any link to yours. Imagine that....
     
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    Okay, I don't know why I'm being cagey about this looking back because it doesn't actually spoil anything. But one thing that always bugged me (and some others) about the original is that she signs a contract with Ursula . . . meaning she can ****ing write! So taking away her voice kind of does jack ****. She could just write a letter to Eric explaining everything and solve the whole mess on day 1.

    HISHE said it better, though:

     
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    So Asians are now white supremacists???
     
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    We seem to have peaked in our evolutionary process and now are on the decline. Not enough selection pressure most likely. :)
     
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    He literally wrote about travelling, including to Spain and Portugal, which had much higher racial diversity.
     
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    Again…funny how you keep bringing up white supremacists. <shrug>
     
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    Everyone see what you do, so why even bother?

    The link you provided does not support your claim.

    Have a nice day. You want to be angry about the black girl? Well, BE ANRGY. Its your problem, not mine.

    BTW, the $40M production cost seems to be for a "Little Mermaid" from the 1980s. I googled the cost with that name (same name) and that's what I saw, not realizing it was an older version. No fabrication.
     
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    Pretty much sums up their issue.
     
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    That of course assumes a that she could write more than her name. After all paper that doesn't disintegrate when you write on it under salt water can't be all that common especially in the 1800s
     
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    Cool beans.
     
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    I'm not even going to sit here and edit out most of your post like you always do for other people. My link absolutely supports my claim.

    You have made a claim that has been destroyed with links but you double down without providing any links of your own.

    And yes everyone knows that cultural appropriation is just a term that fatback just made up and no one's ever heard of it before and it has certainly never ben applied to any actresses.... Like if you would read my freaking link you would see....

    Keep swinging and missing and keep digging
     
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    Not in the 1830s.
     
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    Oh looky here @Pro_Line_FL
    The very first Google result on the production cost once again proves your $40 million claim utterly bogus. Do you plan to provide a link of your own at any point?

    Screenshot_20230609-112313.png
     
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    I take it you've never heard of the Moors. Andersen did. And wrote about them and "mulattos" in Spain and Portugal.
     
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    If you think about it, its absurd how people are offended to their hearts over something like an actress for a freaking mermaid character not being white. It kind of takes the whole thing to a new level.

    Sorry you can't let go, but I already explained the disconnect. When I Googled "Little Mermaid Production Cost" it showed the production cost for the old version. It was $40M like I said, and later I realized it was for the old version. I pointed it out before, and now I have pointed it again to soothe your delicate feelings.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=lit...650j69i60l2.2211j1j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
     

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    ARIEL, Disney's version of The Little Mermaid is a WHITE RED HAIRED character, written and realized by Disney, influenced from EU folklore originally realized by a white guy. She's white and should always ben white, just as much as Blade is black and should always be black. You can easily re-imagine Blade as white. He's just a fictional super hero, right? But he SHOULD be black. Why make him white? Serves no purpose, just like it serves NO PURPOSE to make Ariel black, besides DIVERSITY.

    And Tiana could be white. White people live in the Bayou and speak with that accent. A white family could own a restaurant and love food and music. Entire story just needs to be shifted around but it can be RE-IMAGINED to work. But WHY? You don't need to change her character. It serves no purpose.
     

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