Trump ordered to pay over $350M for business fraud

It has everything to do with the terms of the loan. That’s what the case is about.

 

It doesn’t.
it has to do with lying to inflate the value of a property. This is illegal. It’s illegal in every single state in this nation.

If you answering a single question completely devastates your argument, then your argument is flimsy.

So again, is it fraud to lie on a loan application? Yes or no?

 

DB was fine with everything.

 

Which is completely irrelevant

They are one of the only banks that will deal with trump, he is a current client — of course they are fine with it.

Thankfully it isn’t up to them

So again, is it fraud to lie on a loan application? Yes or no?

 

The entire case was about the DB loan.

 

Are you interested in the truth or winning a debate?

The books do not claim anything. They document irregularities in the 2020 election. You can learn all about forensic audits which you do not appear to be familiar with.

 

If there were irregularities in the 2020 election the courts, including the Supreme Court would have noticed them.

 

The Supreme Court refused to hear the case brought by Texas against Pennsylvania claiming the Texas had no standing. Clarence Thomas wrote a scathing minority opinion.

 

The entire case is about trump lying to secure the loan at more favorable rates.

So again, is it fraud to lie on a loan application? Yes or no?

Why can’t you answer such a simple question? And you really think they are going to overturn this on appeal?

 

State property tax assessors don't use or even ask for individuals to tell then what their property values are.
The don't even assess values of properties for their actual current value.
Please

 

First time in history that the definition of fraud has been updated to included actions that affected nobody and had no victim. Disreputable. I fear for my country. Seriously.

 

No lie involved. The entire matter was a disagreement over the valuation of property. The banks were good with it. Government decided to create its own valuations to punish Trump. There was no lie and no fraud. Sorry.

 

Condor's appellate brief:

"The left, and stuff. Plus, no bank said they were defrauded; I read these theories online. THE END."

 

Do you bother to read what you quote before quoting it? Doing statistical anayses in response to the statistcs of someone else, is not an investigation of fraud. Neither statistical analysis has anything to do with to do with investigating. It has to do with an argument over statistics. Seriously there has been no fraud investigation over the 2020 election. It is actually a good thing that there was no investigation. It provides cover for the election process which was damaged by the states in 2020.

 

Really? Have you read the statute or the judgment? This has been used 100s of times per year! Where do you get this crap?

 

Glad to see you supported the truth. There was no victim and, therefore, no fraud. THE END.

 

Yes, I did. You obviously did NOT.

The Orange Turdeater tried desperately, but could not come up with any credible evidence.

 

Thank you for showing you dont know even the basics of what your debating. This is NOT solely about property values.....

 

DB financial analysts did not complain about false information.

The appeals court had better overturn it for the good of the New York economy. The state is being flooded with illegal aliens on welfare.

 

First time in history on the definition of fraud? Wrong!

"There are two elements in mail fraud: (1) having devised or intending to devise a scheme to defraud (or to perform specified fraudulent acts), and (2) use of the mail for the purpose of executing, or attempting to execute, the scheme (or specified fraudulent acts)." Schmuck v. United States, 489 U.S. 705, 721 n."

(1) affected nobody and had no victim

 

Asked and answered.

 

You just described conspiracy to defraud, not fraud. You showed that it is illegal to use the mail to defraud. But in this case there was no fraud.

 

Umm, no. It's a NY state statute. READ IT!

 

It is already been shown to you that they did lie about the square footage, the occupancy rate, upgrades and the classification of space. They also had testimony showing where trump demanded a specific valuation, and they had to reverse engineer the books to make that valuation occur.

It doesn’t matter what the bank thinks, this is a state issue as states prosecute mortgage / loan fraud. You just repeating this shows the complete lack of a coherent argument.

So again, is it fraud to lie on a loan application? Yes or no?

 

Why do you keep repeating this?

And where do you get the idea that this was all about one loan?????

Do you have the slightest idea what you’re talking about?

PS, your beloved fuhrer defaulted on any number of DB loans, including an $800 million one for Trump International Chicago.