Christian Brother Jailed For Sex Abuse, But His Church Still Stands By Him

I wonder how many of those officials in the school system were Atheist or non-Theist?

 

Now it's a Catholics vs. Protestants and school teachers thread?

Heavens forbid that anyone should actually address the topic!

 

And I wonder if your odor will linger even after I ignore you for continuing to refuse to discuss the topic.

Do yourselves a favor - ignore or at least stop responding to Incorporeal until he learns to stay on topic. Otherwise, I suppose it's your time to waste on him, if you so choose.

 

No.

I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of some of you who demonize the Catholic Church, and the Catholic Church only. Especially when sexual abuse towards children happens much more in schools then in the Catholic Church.

I am just point out the biased society.

 

...while failing to address the topic.

 

"by just any church", but specifically against the Catholic church and the subsequent 'Christian' religion. Need I say more?

Such as the OP attacking the Christian religion and the Catholic Church?

Atheism does have something to do with the topic, as pointed out in the article to which I posted a link. Atheists were documented as being subjects of 'child abuse' in conceivably all of the abuse variations.

Your characterization of the probability of me 'trolling' is irrelevant, as you do not have the authority vested in you as a Moderator who are the only ones who can label someone officially as a 'troll'. Yes you can express your opinion that you think I might be a troll, but it means nothing.

Ouch! Those 'word games' do hurt when they expose you to the truth.

Again, Atheism is a subject of this thread, as atheism has officially been documented as being a group of listed peoples who have been found guilty of 'child abuse' in one or more of the various forms of child abuse. Child abuse is not limited to the Catholic church, the Christian religion, but encompasses all groupings within society. FACT.

Once again, the topic is being discussed and whether or not you place me on your 'ignore' list is irrelevant. That is your privilege.

 

The topic has been addressed by laity and leaders many times. Its a sad thing.

 

It's been addressed P, and if you would put down the hatchet toward religion for a second you could figure it out.

#1 - Christians believe that all sin can be forgiven and repented. That does not mean that we are freed from the consequences of criminal acts. It does mean that we, like God, do not simply give up on people.

The brother is being given a gift he does not deserve - and that is the point.

#2 - Last time I checked, everyone in this country was allowed a free, fair trail, and representation as well. If the criminal accusation is serious enough, do with withdraw counsel? Not in this country we do not.

It would be best if the atheists, again, taking issue with with people following their principles even when it is bad, to ask themselves some questions:

a. Who are you to deny any man absolution?

b. Who are you to deny a man legal counsel? A fair trail?

c. Who are you to deny a man companionship, counsel, and friendship when he needs it most?

That these things are offered to the very worst of us? Well, they are good even when we realize that we do not deserve them and appreciate them most in our hour of need.

Really, for all the atheists that lecture us about how much better they know our faith than we do, this is just another example of how little they know about how faith, and how much they seek to attack it from that base of ignorance.

 

I will believe that when I see it. Read: Archdiocese of Los Angeles and Cardinal Roger Mahoney. It starts with aiding and abetting and ends with obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and conspiracy.

 

Here's the real smoking gun, and this is what's so typical--and infuriating--about all these stories: "Br Brian Brandon, executive officer for professional standards for the Christian Brothers Oceania, said Best had been removed from contact with children as soon as the organisation learned of the allegations against him in the 1990s."

In the NINETEEN NINETIES?????? So for possibly as long as twenty years, this miscreant got to go about his daily life, safe in the knowledge that his homies had his back? If there were "allegations that were known" why was he simply moved away from the kiddos and not reported to law enforcement then and there? Why did the order cover for him? Why did we have to wait as long as twenty years for this vile bucket of filth to face justice? Just more evidence of the vast criminal conspiracy that goes all the way to gilded halls and bejeweled commodes of The Vatican. Disgusting.

 

Did you know that in the American Jurisprudence 2d (AmJur 2d) there is an entire section on 'fabrication of evidence' which gives legal consent for prosecutors to fabricate evidence for the purpose of attaining a conviction? Destruction of and hiding evidence is nothing uncommon in the united states. Most of the Congressional records from the years of 1931 through 1933 are not available for internet viewing but require people to make a trip to Washington to review what records that they will allow you to review. My point is that the reasons and issues that you are presenting (obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and conspiracy) are really mundane and amount to nothing in this day and age.

 

There are lots of priests who have been punished for their crimes. There are tons of reparations that have been paid to teh victims of this abuse.

What you ask for has already happened - many times.

THis started out as athread wondering about the gift of forgiveness, and wondering about it.

Now, once again, this is a bunch of preachy atheists thinking they are good because they beat up on the church over its abuse?

Well, I guess while we are at it, we should shut down the school system because abuse happens there. What you say, not all teachers are bad? Irrelavant.

I guess we should close all parks, because sometimes abuse happens in Parks. Not all parks are prone to abuse you say? Irrelevant.

Families have abuseive tendancies as well, therefore we should abolish all families. What you say, ot all families are abusive? Irrelevant.

In fact, while we are at, we should ensure that there are laws and practices in place to prevent this abuse! We should cajole every atheist with sanctimony every time the subject of abuse comes up. What you say, there are already laws against this? Irrelevant.

And final nail in the coffin of indignation? NAMBLA.

You are not good because you point to men who have already a fallen and say tsk, tsk. No one supports the abuse of children, but only some of apparently don't think we should tear down entire institutions because of the abuse and negligence of a few.

After all, if you standard applies, the fact that NAMBLA was started by atheists means that the entire practice of atheism should be abolished. Its your standard, and amazing how, once again, atheists want others to live by a set of standards they have no desire to live by themselves.

Goodness is not found in finding fault in others. It really is that simple.

 

I hope you are joking. I really do.

 

I dunno....either a church is too judgmental or not judgmental enough. Its a no win.

 

And what exactly would you suggest. The Bible has some very specific language pertaining to the making of judgments against others.

 

Well, I would just bear Teddy Roosevelt in mind. Some people were simply born that way.

""It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." -Teddy Roosevelt

Atheists think they just suddenly stumbled upon 'skepticism' do they?

 

The bible has specific partial texts that are taken out of context. The famous...do not judge lest you be judged" quote for instance. People don't bother to read on....to hear what Jesus is saying.

We do need to judge right from wrong. And we don't need to support wrong by supporting the wrong doers.

We can pray for them, and try to sway them. But to support them when they do something heinious is ....wrong.

 

And many more who haven't because the church protected them. And what of the protectors? When will they be punished for their crimes? When will sanctimonious pigs like Roger Mahoney be made to understand that the law applies to them as well? The same Roger Mahoney who not only protected pedophiles and destroyed evidence, but also turned every Catholic Church in his purview into an illegal alien sanctuary--really where do these guys get off? How about Bernard Law who literally turned Boston into a pedophile's paradise? And what about The Vatican? Don't even try to tell me they didn't know. When will the enablers face justice?

Reparations you should hasten to add which come from tax-free coffers meaning the taxpayers get to subsidize the legal defense for a bunch of sickos who couldn't keep it in their pants.

Not nearly enough. It seems this is the gift that keeps on giving, eh?

I don't think it's up to third parties to forgive such misdeeds. If the victim wants to forgive his assailant? Fine. But he's really the only party who should have any say. Interesting too that it's almost always a he. What's that all about? Never mind, I went to Catholic school--I know exactly what it's about.

If you want to characterize holding to account as beating up, you are welcome to your delusion.

Not even remotely analogous.

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Not sure I understand the relevance to this discussion. Unless you are suggesting that some of the clergy are card-carrying members, in which case I might agree with you.

We're not talking about a few sickos here. We are talking about a decades-long conspiracy to protect pedophiles, obstruct justice, and--worst of all--victimize the victims of abuse all over again. We are talking about an institution that holds itself out as the arbiter of morality, as a pillar of divinity, and one that presumes to tell the rest of us how we should live our lives--and in a display of hypocrisy on a geologic scale says "do as I say, not as I do."

If the institution has proven itself to be a danger to society--as the church has done solely through its actions over the past several decades--the yes, tear it down. Visit justice on the heads of those responsible--and cut the head off the snake.

That's a leap of logic that I didn't think even you could make, but congratulations, you have succeeded in raising the level of absurdity of this debate by an order of magnitude. I hope it didn't hurt too much when you landed.

Justice IS found in holding individuals to account for their misdeeds. It really is that simple.

 

Tell you what, why don;t you use your big atheists brain to figure something out.

Figure out how many priests HAVE been punished, how many are in jail and how many are not. Then explain to us why you think they have gotten away with it? See if you can figure out how to apply justice to ensure that we are not throwing innocent men into jail?

Or do you presume to have enough facts about all these cases that you can charge, and PROVE, a massive concpiracy?

Well, lets see it then. Burden of proof is on you in every sense of the word on this one.

The Catholic Church publishes its financial records.

BTW - let me know when you are against charitable tax deductions. Let me know when you advocate the atheist and secular groups that do the same thing.

Wait, then your self righteousness isn;t quite so self righteous is it?

Who the hell are you to judge?

Where is your demand for reparations from NAMBLA? Right.

Well, then there is no need for God.

So, as a Christian, thanks but shove it.

And who are YOU calling to task? Who are you calling to account that has not been through a judicial process of some sort?

And yoru idignation at abuse in other insitutions? Right.

Yes, we can see the double standards at play.

Thanks for proving the point.

A couple of atheists start an organization specifically to advocate the abuse of children - what? couple of weirdos.

If these weirdos happen to be preists? Well, the whole religion should be torn to shreads.

YOUR double standards.

Yeah we are. Do the numbers. How many Catholics? How many Priests? How many abusers.

Why use specifics when emotional prejoratives will do?

You dropped your cape victim.

Mother Theresa was clearly not a threat to society was she? Nor all the thousands of parish priests who are anything but abusive.

NAMBLA is a result of atheism, therefore we should abolish atheism?

Oh wait, now its not analogous or some other such excuse?

Its called nihilism.

Its YOUR absurd arguement simply applied to a different abuse situation. NOW its absurd?

It was to begin with.

Thanks you.

Individuals not instititions.

It really is that simple.

 

Based on your comment and recommendation shown in red letter text above, then you also need to shut your trap, as it is also none of your business. Now are you one of those victims that would have that right to say anything according to your own declared recommendation?

 

This is what you said when Neutral said

And how is it

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School teachers abuse children much more then Priest have ever. And yet the church is much worse? School teachers are trusted with children much more then Priest. And they are not worse?

You show right here that you do not care about the children. You only care about railing the church. Exploiting any route you can to demonize the Church.

 

And whats wrong with that? Again you do not care about the Illegals, you do not care about the children. You are just trying to rail the church. Exploit any route you can to demonize the church you despise.

To bad, the Church will be here forever

 

If this man really was sorry though, why did he choose to molest more children? Why did he make the same decision time and again?
If he prayed to God and asked for forgiveness, but continued to break his promise to God, then God shouldn't forgive him at all.

 

It sounds like the man should have been given another job.

None of us know exactly what was going through the mans head. Wether he has perfect contrition or not. Or if he is truly repentant or not.

 

It sounds like the church should have told the police what was happening, instead of covering it up. What kind of justification can they offer for that?

I don't believe he was sorry at all. I saw him on the news on his way to court to be sentenced. He looked like a predator, with no remorse. The kind of person you wouldn't even want to have a nightmare about.