Palestinian statehood bid .

Nobody is talking about the destruction of Israel...This is Zionist propaganda. Democrats and progressives are opposed to the Zionist fantasy of an exclusively JEWISH state and the illegal expansion of Israeli territory.

 

Exactly; challenge a Zionist as to who, exactly, wants Israel destroyed and it all goes very quiet...

 

Now for a little humor:

"It is the duty of the followers of other religions to stop disputing the sovereignty of Islam in this region," (legitimately elected Palestinian sovereignty)

"I support the abolition of all political borders." (moon)
http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...her-palestinian-hate-crime-8.html#post3767831

Since the legitimate elected Palestinian sovereignty is Islam, therefore, Islam is political, consequently, moon supports abolition of Islam and Palestinian sovereignty.

 

We can draw from that very odd conclusion that Divinecomedy supports false premise and syllogism. Comic, but hardy divine.

 

What sort of twisted 'logic' are you employing here?

 

1 state suloution governed by arabs is the destruction of israel, the reason we created this country is to protect jews, your view of protection jews is to have islamic goverment and jews as a minority again - so i say in this case - you want the destruction of Israel, was i clear enough?

 

You're clear enough in being wrong. Jews and arabs live in relative harmony for millennia before the advent of divisionist Zionism. When Zionism is dead democracy will take over.

 

Wrong. I want to see the end of the lunatic Revisionist Zionists who are guilty of blocking any moves toward a lasting peace. Netanyahu is on record as bragging about this very issue: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TG0vdzrmt4"]Netanyahu boasting about Manipulating America and derailing Oslo peace process [better subtitles[ - YouTube[/ame]

These are the belligerent morons you consider heroic, true Israelis and 'allies' of America who only seek peace

 

Zionism has been dead for decades, its your word to describe israel because you dont recognise it, it has nothing to do with the definition of zionism,

those ppl you are talking about are radicals that are a minority, their agenda had nothing to do with zionism too, they have religous motives while zionozm was purly secular movement anyway, some parties may call themselves zionists but thats just a name and not related to the original movement.

 

Yes, it's become neoZionism;
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&so...iqi7CQ&usg=AFQjCNHMrblBwFB5Apipzb9skxk4NJoXIA

You just didn't notice.

 

So if all you want to change Gov in Israel why do you refuse 2 state solution?

 

Oh man...

Jews were protected better under Muslim rule in the Middle East than anywhere else in the world...... They thrived successful in the Middle East.

You can't understand that Zionism has destroyed that relationship, not Islam or Judaism. Not Arabs or Jews. European Zionists, who mass immigrated to Palestine and began the ethnic cleansing of Arabs in their homes, started all of this bull(*)(*)(*)(*)l. They are what is destroying "Israel" with their actions.

The problem isn't religious or racial. It's Zionism.

 

For my part, because it's totally unjust for any indigenous people to have to give over half of their country to an invader without retaining any democratic representation.

 

We dont recognize this term as it insults the true Zionist movment - those ppl are not zionists or anything similar

 

what did we take in the 20's 30's?, barrent land that we bought? pioneers worked with arabs to create settelments, it was all fine untill the masses arrived, still confined to our area, the war broke when we didnt want it,

some ackonwlegment to the winning side, we do not evacuate settelments and withdraw from defeat, we do that in good will that we both can co-exist and really leap forward with our lives leaving this feud behind us, in that good will at least recognise your neighbores. i do think the arab parlament members prove the democracy representation

 

Too bad, because you're stuck with it. Pomposity is no match for evolution.

 

use it as u like, simply stated my opinon

 

I'm not refusing anything. A two-state solution is absolutely fine with me. There is no reason that there cannot be both an Israel and a contiguous Palestine-not the fragmented disaster which Israel has purposely forced upon the Palestinians.

 

Arab members of the Knesset are nothing more than a token gesture. To believe they have any representative power is laughable in the face of the overwhelming Likudnik (Zionist) influence.

 

If the security of Israel is the issue, why has Israel not withdrawn from Palestinian-settled areas now the Wall has been erected? East Jerusalem itself is a separate and thorny issue, but removing small settlements that should never have been started in the first place would create a couple of contiguous patches of Palestinian territory that they would be responsible for.

Israel is trying to have its cake and eat it too. If people live in Israeli-controlled territory for decades, at some point you have to allow them to become citizens of your nation. Leaving them in a legal limbo deprives them of numerous universal political and human rights and is a blot on Israel's reputation that is fuelling a rise in global anti-semitism.

The incorporation of Palestinians as Israelis is politically unacceptable to the idea of Israel as a Jewish homeland, so the only moral and responsible alternative is to divest control of sizeable portions of the West Bank, as was done with the Gaza Strip. Palestine would still be a mess, but the locals would be responsible for that mess.

As for Palestinian statehood, that would be a good thing for Israel. In the best outcome an actual peace treaty would be arranged and the two nations would live uneasily but relatively peacefully side by side. The worse outcome would be rising Palestinian hostility, military arming and launching of terrorist attacks against Israel, but although this would cause some short-term pain it would also justify a true war against the Palestinians and their expulsion or ghettoization upon the Palestinians defeat.

The current situation is an unworkable and immoral long-term situation. Israelis have to realize that things are going to change and decide which changes are better for Israel than others.

 

Obviously you have no clue how Israeli democracy works, or you wouldn't make totally inaccurate statements. Perhaps you should check out the make up of the present coalition government. Likud has less than 22% of the total seats.

But don't let knowledge get in the way, it just ruins a good hate on.

 

Likewise the palestinians. That's called compromise and its the only way to move forward.

Can anyone point out any meaningful compromises made by the palestinians lately?

 

They have nothing left to concede.

 

The Palestinians will never drop their demand for the Right of Return, and will never accept Israel as a "Jewish" state. The Right of Return and a Jewish state are incompatible.

Israel will never voluntarily drop its demand that the Palestinians recognize Israel as a Jewish state. Nor will the Israelis be coerced into dropping their demand that Israel be recognized as a Jewish state.

There is only one way this can be resolved. War. The Palestinians and their supporters versus Israel. It is within the realm of possibility that Israel may be overwhelmed by conventional arms since they cannot count on what's left of America. That means the Israelis will go nuclear.

What part of this don't you folks understand?

 

The Palestinians could recognize Israel as a Jewish state. However, they won't. The Right of Return is too important to them.