Does your family bring in $40-64k? How does paying $2000 more in taxes feel to you?

Are you blind? Can you read? He clearly said don't start a thread without a source. You posted your source halfway through this thread's current position, not at the start.

 

It isn't whether how one feels or not, but the bush tax cuts have got to go if we want to try to balance the budget. Broad base tax cuts, even with cuts in discretionary spending will not sove the deficit anytime soon and projecting it will three or four decades out in the future is futile at best.

 

And therein lies the difference between a Liberal's thought process and a Conservative. You want to put money in the hands of government and I want to put money in the hands of people and let that work as a stimulus. You think the government can increase tax revenue by raising tax rates and I call bs (and we have examples of that already). The static tax examples used by Liberals are simply nonsense. People can and will change behavior. Why rehash the save conversation, it's what the last 4 years has been about and it's been a dismal failure. I guess we'll see which side wins on Tuesday.

 

Its a math problem, not a political I want problem.

Look putting mone in the hands people might sound good, but the reality is that the people have a debt crisis worse than what the government has. This means that the money will pay down debt, not create more GDP, at least for a few years. So, what do you do in the meantime when federal and state agencies have increased burdens and no money to meet their basic missions?

 

Pretty much right, it is about thought processes. My wife and I talked about it and decided we would gladly pay a bit more to balance things out. We each make a good income, not the end of the world to kick in. We are grateful that we are ok with so many people suffering. Guess that makes us socialist-communist leftist *******s. Oh well.

 

I don't care if you posted it later.

You should be flamed for starting a thread without a source!

 

And his 'source' clearly states it is in Congress's hands.....yet if you read his OP it is all Obama's fault.

He has yet to explain that wierd twist of logic.

 

Well the source is posted so stop wasting my time. As for Jeff's comment, it's like talking to a wall. Do you guys post without reading other posts just to waste people's time? Answer...YES! Again, it takes an affirmative action to prevent this from happening. DUH!

 

Let's see, 6k on about 110k of income is roughly 5.5%. 5.5% of Gross national income of 13.3 trillion equals $730 billion in more tax revenues.

That will eliminate 2/3 of the deficit, lowering it to well below the level it was at when Bush left. It will also be below the point where the Govt debt will start shrinking relative to the economy.

Conservatives who have been constantly complaining about the deficit since Obama took office will be overjoyed at this great prospect for making real progress on the deficit.

Except for those flaming hypocrites who were only (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ing about the deficit purely for partisan political reasons. Which I'd estimate would be about 97% of them.

 

Yes, Pimp, I was agreeing with Iriemon that we should let the Bush Tax Cuts expire. He (a Liberal) and I (an arch-Conservative) have agreed about the necessity to increase taxes for a long time. We also agree that this should be done with a complete overhaul of the U. S. Tax Code, and I, for one, favor getting rid of ALL loopholes, shelters, exemptions, exceptions, etc.

It's interesting to me that a hopey-changey Libocrat "messiah" could have four years of his administration slip into history and NOT EVEN LIFT ONE FINGER TO ACTUALLY CHANGE THE TAX CODE! That should be anyone's first clue that this amateur community-organizer is nothing but a handpuppet for old, "insider" money that really runs things in this country, and which actually pays little or no taxes, thanks to all the shelters, loopholes, etc.

 

He did try to change the tax code. He offered trillions in spending cuts for a modest tax increase.

The Grover Norquist party flat out rejected it.

How about a tiny bit of objectivity on your side, and at least acknowledge that the GOP where 99% of its members have swore an oath to Grover to not raise taxes may be a bit of a stumbling point to raising taxes.

Can you at least acknowledge that obvious fact?

 

Leftys are so cute, when they try and justify taking your money....

Makes me feel all warm inside...

 

Righties are so greedy. They want to take everything because more is never enough for them and stick the debt on our children and grandchildren.

It isn't cute at all. It's ugly.

 

we can agree the bush tax cuts expire for everyone, also remove the social security cap while we are at it

then we can offer everyone a tax cut, up to a certain dollar amount (even the rich get the "same" amount)

the Federal Reserve need to be taken over by the Gov, they are obviously manipulating this countries economy

 

Righties are greedy cause they wanna keep their hard earned money????

Why do you wanna take it so badly? Are you sure you know what greed is?

 

we just want the rich to pay the same % tax on every dollar they earn like we do,

why do you feel the rich need to be rewarded with huge tax cuts on top of their financial success, being rich *IS* their reward


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"Woulda, coulda, shoulda". Every administration comes and goes and it's always been the same, even though we were assured back in 2008 that under Obama, everything would be decisively changed for the better. Now, we get all the usual excuses that every mediocre or failed administration (Republican and Democrat) gives... "Well, things were even worse than we thought"... "We inherited an even bigger mess than we thought"... "The process of recovery is even tougher than we thought".

What all these hindsight retrospectives say is that there was a lack of thinking -- and DOING. So, FACT: the National Debt was $10.6 TRILLION Dollars when Obama took over. This morning, the National Debt is soaring upward from $16.2 TRILLION Dollars: http://www.usdebtclock.org/ . I know you know this, but the point I'm driving to is, what is Obama telling us today but "woulda, coulda, shoulda"? Obama very correctly criticized "W" Bush for his handling of the economy in 2008, and then he proceeded to jack up the National Debt more in 3 1/2 years than Bush did in all 8 years he was the President! Why is anyone supposed to be persuaded that Obama has any idea what he's talking about with a record like that? "Forward"? Obama would have us go forward with more of the same? Into the bottomless oblivion of inevitable national bankruptcy?

Any good doctor will tell you, my esteemed liberal adversary, that to save the patient, first, YOU MUST STOP THE BLEEDING... and not just talk about stopping the bleeding. Obama cannot stop the bleeding and continue to grow a gigantic Welfare State based on Socialist programs and principles. Socialism is precisely what the man stands for, now, and always. We MUST try something else -- ANYTHING else would be better than four more years of this!

 

So you want your taxes to go up?

 

How did I miss this forceful Obama initiative to actually change the Tax Code? When did he champion and push for actually changing the Tax Code? When did he go before Congress and actively sponsor and drive the process needed to actually change the Tax Code? When did he call for actually changing the U. S. Tax Code in any of his State of the Union addresses? When did Obama use the bullet-proof power of a Democrat White House, and Democrat majorities in the House and Senate, to actually change the U. S. Tax Code? Funny... the hyperlib news media usually covers this sort of thing with non-stop highlighted attention, fawning admiration, and bated-breath....

He didn't....

And that's why the U. S. Tax Code is like it is, choked with loopholes, shelters, exemptions, exceptions, and all the other things that you and I both bristle at for being grossly unfair, even though you are a Liberal, and I am an arch-Conservative. Obama didn't actually change a **** thing, Iriemon. The rich pay little or nothing in taxes today, just like before. I know you cannot disagree with that because you are a fact-based, logical person. By contrast, all Obama has done is talk, talk, talk, and, talk some more. He's good at talking... but talk is CHEAP....

 

They do.

 

No they don't and Romney is an example of that paying a 14% tax rate.

 

Romney doesnt make income. He doesnt pay income tax.

Hes living off his investments.

Lemme guess you wanna take everyones 401k's too??

Get a job, please.

 

You don't know what your talking about. I do taxes for a living so I do know. Romney had earned income of about 350k and the rest was from his investments or capital gains as it is called. It's all taxable income just at different rates. To say he doesn't have income and doesn't pay income tax just shows how uninformed you are on the subject.

 

So youve been telling lies throughout this tread?

 

What lie. He paid 14% overall ,thats a fact. Guess you tried to find some info to prove me wrong but of course you failed.