Israeli Air Force Attack Syria

Israel attacked a Syrian "arms convoy" en route to Lebanon, and a military base and/or research facility of the Assad government.

That's the story anyway.

http://www.channel4.com/news/israel-strikes-convoy-on-syrian-lebanese-border

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/30/us-syria-israel-attack-idUSBRE90T0K120130130

I have no opinion yet until I learn more about this.. I'm just sharing the news.

 

It seems they were transporting the WMD into the arms of Hezbollah...or at least they were trying to. Israel's intelligence is usually top notch.

 

Whatever the real story eyes will now be on Iran which has stated that any attack on Syria by Israel will be treated as an attack on it. Of course such a stance could encourage those who want to see a showdown to draw Israeli fire.

 

If that is the case, I would actually support the strikes.. I am happy if anyone anywhere in the world decides to destroy the chemical weapons.. These chemical weapons constitute one of the most troubling and disconcerting aspects of the chaos there.

If I found out that was a false pretext for the strikes however, I would be angry about that. Mossad may be good at their job, but they are hardly trustworthy.

 

I find this statement of yours quite agreeable, and I only hope Iran don't do anything stupid..

Ultimately, I doubt they will. Their bark is bigger than their bite, and they are completely surrounded by Western forces that are literally like the growling attack dog tugging at the leash and drooling through it's teeth display... Literally chomping at the bit to invade Iran, and will at the first excuse.

Iran I don't think are that stupid.. I think they will try to endure the sanctions, and fly under the radar as best as they can until they can finish work on a nuclear deterrent. If they've not finished any nukes yet they have literally no room whatsoever to do (*)(*)(*)(*). And they know that.

 

What level of confidence would you require? If there were seen to be crates loaded onto trucks from a known chemical weapons storage facility and these trucks then were driven south towards Lebanon with a heavy military escort would that be enough?

 

Upon those details being verified, then yes, that works for me personally.

But unlike many people, I attach a verification requirement for use of the word "known"..

Like they say this guy or that guy we blew up was associating with "known terrorists" and most people find that acceptible, whereas I would make sure there's valid grounds for it.

So in this case, upon verification of that being a chemical weapons storage site, then yes that's enough and I would support the strikes.

To be honest though, I'm not sure where Jeannette got the indication that this was about WMD's.. In fact it is being suggested by the available sources that the convoy attack was targeting a shipment of conventional weapons, and anti-aircraft missiles. I have no clue about the research site, though.

 

That's ok I can find something to disagree on, no problem!

At this stage I think you are right that Iran will not strike at Israel however I believe there are many in the Iranian regime who are keen to have a go at Israel, perhaps not directly but through Hezbollah and both are on the backfoot with the disintegration of Syria. If there has been an attempt at transporting chemical weapons and Israel has attacked within Syria then I doubt very much those doing so will give up and there will be an escalation. As I hinted at though I think its not unlikely that there could have been a dry run and we might see a lot of spilt milk powder destroyed on the way to some refugee babies!

I have to say though that I disagree that there are Western forces eager to invade, quite the contrary in fact.

 

They are Twelvers. They believe the return of the Mahadi will follow a cataclysmic confrontation between good and evil on earth. That "the creation of chaos on Earth" will hasten the return of the Mahadi. Personally, I think such beliefs are stupid.

 

There's no point in regurgitating them then, is there.

It's a convenient moment for neoZionist aggression. Egypt hasn't got its military act together yet.

 

Anyone remember when Israeli satellites "observed" large number of Farj rockets being loaded onto a cargo freighter in Iran and sent on its way to Gaza via Sudan and Egypt?. Surprise, surprise, that fairy tale soon vanished once the conflict ended. Little doubt that crates carrying WMDs will be "observed" heading to Lebanon.

 

Not exactly a fairy tale. Both Iran and Hamas admit to the arms transport and it explains how Farj missiles were fired from Gaza!

 

Just read on a foreign language site, that Syria admits the attack on its research facilities needed for defense, but denies the attack on the convoy headed for Lebanon. Didn't Syria say that it will use weapons of mass destruction if it is attacked by a foreign nation, and didn't Iran say it will go to war if Syria is attacked? Seems the situation is getting very serious.

 

Terrible misuse of the word 'literally.'

But certainly we do have Iran effectively surrounded and could get more forces over there in a hurry if need be. However, I doubt there will be an actual need. It's not like Iran is a threat to us, on our soil. Not even close. They could make trouble for Israel, but then Israel has a habit of making its own trouble as well.

 

Well they've got those forces there ready for it.. And things are happening very similarly to what happened with Iraq. So I think the writing is on the wall, although I do acknowledge it's also possible that they will attempt to go with the usual plan B, and attempt to incite a revolt.

 

Oh look. Israel attacking someone else. What a surprise. What are the lies this time over? Have the lies come out yet? I know they will lie, I just want to find out what flavour of lies they will tell this time?

And what flavour of anti semitism is it to say STOP MURDERING PEOPLE SCUMBAGS?

Is it neo neo neo liberal anti semitism? Classic? Vanilla? Or chocolate?

 

Whatever Israel and their bought media claim, the opposite is true.

You can almost always just flip it round. They lie. Flip it around. That will be closer to the truth.

 

I've heard that it was a strike on a convoy at the Syria-Lebanon border and in Syria proper, near Damascus at a research facility. The convoy that was attacked was transporting SA-17 missiles. And yes, Iran has recently said that they would interpret an attack on Syria as an attack on themselves, so it will be interesting to see how they respond to this attack. Not to mention, the reactions of China and Russia. Lastly, if Syria or Hezbollah retaliates in kind. This issue is linked with several others in the world due to its intensity and importance and countries involved. (*)(*)(*)(*).

 

Two murdered and five injured. Because of them.

 

Israeli fighter jets targeted a military research center near Damascus early on Wednesday morning, the Syrian army said. The statement follows earlier reports of an Israeli airstrike on a convoy with Syrian weapons heading to Lebanon.

(*)The Syrian army’s general command has issued a statement, saying an airstrike was launched by the IAF targeting a military research center in Jamraya, rural Damascus.

“Israeli fighter jets violated our air space at dawn today and carried out a direct strike on a scientific research center in charge of raising our level of resistance and self-defense,” the army statement said as cited by SANA.

The strike caused material damage to the center and a nearby building, killing two workers and wounding five others, the statement added. The Israeli warplanes were flying low under the radars and “snuck in from the north of Al-Sheikh Mountain” according to the report. It called the strike a “blatant act of aggression” against Syria and accused Israel of supporting terrorist activity in the country.

Earlier there were reports in the media of an attack by Israeli jets on Wednesday morning striking a target on the Syrian-Lebanese border amid repeated violations of Lebanese airspace. A US government official has confirmed reports that Israeli warplanes targeted a convoy headed from Syria to Lebanon, the Associated Press says.


The Syrian military however has denied this, saying there was no Israeli strike on a convoy of trucks on its border.

However, it was “possible” that the convoy was near the large military site when it came under attack, diplomatic sources told Reuters.

Although it has not yet been confirmed whether an airstrike indeed targeted a military site near Damascus, experts believe that after months of constant rebel attacks on Syrian air defense systems an airstrike would make sense.

“It finally makes sense because the rebels or as they like to call themselves the revolutionaries, they have been attacking air defense bases near Damascus for the past seven months,” Dr Ali Mohamad, editor in chief of the Syria Tribune news website told RT. “They’ve managed to attack the S-200 base and over four SM-2 and SM-3 bases. Now this followed by an airstrike from Israel. So it all adds up, it makes sense. It only shows that Israel has a great interest in the instability in Syria and that it is being helped by groups of armed rebels in Syria.”

(*)Chemical weapons false flag?

(*)Israel had reportedly been planning for several days the airstrike to hit a shipment of sophisticated weaponry – allegedly including chemical weapons and Russian-made anti-aircraft missiles – bound for Hezbollah in Lebanon.


“This episode boils down to a warning by Israel to Syria and Hezbollah not to engage in the transfer of sensitive weapons,” a regional security source told Reuters.

So far none of the officials in Israel or other concerned parties have pinpointed the exact location and target of the airstrike. The anonymous diplomatic sources however have told Reuters that chemical weapons were believed to be stored at the Jamraya research center, although the vehicles in convoy were unlikely to be carrying them.

Israeli officials have said repeatedly they fear Assad losing his grip on his chemical weapons stockpile. But Dr. Ali Mohamad believes the chemical weapons danger was just a pretext to destroy Syria's military research centers to ensure that Damascus can’t produce arms for its military or to ship to its allies in the region.

“Military research centers are responsible for developing weapons in particular land-to-land long range missiles,” he explained. “And what Israel wants is to stop this research and stop this process. And of course Israel will claim that this is connected to a chemical weapons arsenal, but this is of course not true because nobody stores chemical weapons in a research center.”

Everybody who lives in Syria knows “that this is not at all about chemical weapons,” Mohamad said.

“Let’s remember that the Syrian official who was responsible for all military research projects has been assassinated in Damascus by the rebels,” he explained. “Let’s also remember that the person who orchestrated the Syrian long-range missile project colonel Dawoud Rajiha was also assassinated in Damascus. This is about stopping the Syrian scientific military research projects and is about breaking the link that will help [Israel] overcome the Lebanese resistance and the Palestinian resistance.”


http://rt.com/news/israeli-warplanes-bomb-damascus-114/

 

Yeah, Israel loves to spend money on fuel just to kill a few people. Can you picture them laughing their heads off, and putting a few more notches on their planes.

 

Well, interesting that you mention the first one...

In August 2011, Samer Allawi, Al Jazeera's Afghanistan bureau chief, was arrested by Israeli authorities on charges of being a member of Hamas. Walied Al-Omary, Al Jazeera's bureau chief in Israel and the Palestinian territories, said the military court accused Allawi of making contact with members of Hamas's armed wing.

A co-leader of The Committee to Protect Journalists said "Israel must clarify why it continues to hold Samer Allawi."

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Sulzberger was the son of Cyrus L. Sulzberger, a cotton-goods merchant, and Rachel Peixotto Hays, from old and noteworthy Jewish families, Ashkenazi and Sephardic, respectively.

His great-grandfather, Benjamin Seixas, brother of the famous rabbi and American revolutionary Gershom Mendes Seixas of Congregation Shearith Israel, was one of the founders of the New York Stock Exchange...(Wik)

Current editor - Jill Abramson (I am guessing not a Christian)

Op Editior - Andrew Rosenthal ( I will have a will guess. Jew?).

Oh look, this group....He is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.

 

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Oy vey.

 

Can't we just accept something at face value. In this case Syria said its research facilities were bombed, which I am sure is the truth. Now the obvious question would be; why did Israel bomb the facilities, not who owns the newspapers and what is their relationship with Israel? But then again logic is not exactly a conspiracy theorists strong point.

 

We have learned that a country doesn't necessarily need to pose a threat in order to start a war.