Why Australia should scratch the F-35 and fly Sukhois?

Of course Israel would object.

No one is saying Russian Aircraft such as the Su-27, Su-35, MiG-29 and MiG-31 are crap aircraft. They are very capable aircraft.

But it has been proven in Battle...in Computer Simulations under all conditions...in multiple WAR day and night time conditions....that none of these Russian Aircraft are or have been capable of defeating even the now 30 year old American F-15 never mind a U.S. Air Force F-22 or F-35.

In...EVERY SINGLE MILITARY AIR COMBAT CONFRONTATION between the designed in the 1960's USAF F-15 and these Russian Aircraft the F-15 has DESTROYED THE RUSSIAN AIRCRAFT...EVERY SINGLE TIME.

The United States Air Force F-15 Eagle...HAS NEVER BEEN SHOT DOWN BY ANY AIRCRAFT...EVER!

This is due to a combination of Pilot Skill and Training...Superior Tactics...Superior Technology...Superior Radar both Passive and Active...Superior Avionics...Superior Look Down Shoot Down Targeting...Superior Missile Systems...Superior Flight Characteristics...and Pilot Friendly Aircraft Design.

Now this is the F-15...designed in the 1960's and although this aircraft has never been shot down by any Russian Aircraft or any other aircraft made by any other country...it cannot even come close to being able to down a USAF F-22 Raptor.

During mock Air Battle a single F-22 was able to defeat 12 F-15C's....that's...12!

The F-22 in mock battle using Lasers shot down 12 U.S. Aircraft that have NEVER BEFORE IN HISTORY BEEN SHOT DOWN.

The F-35 will be able to do very close to the same type of damage as it has more advanced avionics and targeting than the F-22.

So...although the Russian Aircraft are not crap...against even F-15's....and nothing proves my posting here more than HISTORY as the F-15 has shot down every Russian Aircraft ever sent up against it...although the Russian Aircraft are not crap....they are just in no way as capable or as lethal as American Aircraft.

AboveAlpha

 

LOL....in Computer Simulations under all conditions.... Hey, you're a gamer, look at your window there has long been a summer, and the leaves on the trees really green. What nonsense you write on this forum.

 

No he doesn't understand what he's talking about.
F-15 is a good fighter for 1976 but it has to be compared to SU-27 another best fighter at that time.

This topic covers a backward F-35 which is more slow and seen very good in the heavens due to its hot engine.

 

F-35 The best program in the world. Yankees have made a very nice gift for themselves.
By the way I Congrats the Americans with the Independence Day.

 

First of all with the exception of my watching Military Computer simulations of weapon systems I AM NOT A GAMER!

And what the HELL does your statement about Leaves mean?

AboveAlpha

 

The F-35 does not need to be able to obtain Mach 2 Plus velocities as it can easily destroy several Su-35's before they even know the F-35 is near them.

Testing at the Groom Lake Facility has shown upgraded F-15C's are capable of defeating the Su-35 in air combat.

AboveAlpha

 

In first of all I mean that the Military Computer simulations is a sh1t/
In second , I mean that you are geek of virtual world it's very obviously.
F-35 is Sh1t,F-22 is (*)(*)(*)(*) too it's very obviously.

 

You just keep believing that and we will keep blowing your planes out of the sky. LOL!

Same Old Same Old!

AboveAlpha

 

[video=youtube;_zDQtSxWJi4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zDQtSxWJi4[/video]

 

You have posted a video showing the Su-35's maneuverability. Yes...it can maneuver very well.

The thing is an aircraft's ability to maneuver is NO LONGER the most important aspect for a Fighter Aircraft to have to be able to destroy other aircraft or have a high rate of survivability.

The Su-35 was designed to combat American F-15's. It even LOOKS like an F-15 and takes many design characteristics from the F-15. The Su-35's creation is a TOO LITTLE TOO LATE Russian Response to the COMPLETE AND TOTAL FAILURE TO COMPETE WITH AMERICAN AIRCRAFT of Soviet and Russian Designed Aircraft such as the Mig-29, Su-27 and Su-30.

Now the U.S. designed the F-22 in the mid 1990's will soon be flying the XRAF-31...Robotic Autonomous Fighter by 2017.

The XRAF-31 is a Fully Robotic Fighter Aircraft capable of Self Determination that has Mach 3 PLUS velocity...Stealth...7000 Mile operational distance with a 3500 mile operational radius without refueling...thrust vector maneuvering capability that would KILL A PILOT...and some will use Solid State and Free Electron Laser Systems.

Because there is no pilot therefore no need of life support and ejection seat...the XRAF-31 will have a Electronic Warfare Center as well as exist in F-31 and F/A-31 Variants for attack purposes.

The F-31 will carry over 18 Air to Air Hyper Velocity Missiles internally.

While the Russian Air Force will be just shaking down it's new 5th Gen Stealth Fighter...the XRAF-31 will already be flying.

AboveAlpha

 

Lots of Americans no longer have any degree of hubris. They view their own govt. as an oppressor.

 

Australia falls within the Chinese sphere of influence. I think Australians should accept that fact. That being the case there is no need for Australia to have an air force. China will take care of Australia. Pax Americana is over. You Ozzies better come to terms with that fact as well.

 

Lies lies lies.

Simulations and numerous tests have shown Russian aircraft can perform superior to Western ones. India conducted simulations on American vs Russian aircraft for several years.
Results were that Russian aircraft clearly outperformed American ones, and India decided to buy those as a result.

Which airforce has the USAF gone up against? Grenada? Panama? Iraq? Are you kidding me?! The American pilots are far superior to those pilots in mentioned airforces. They also have newer aircraft than any of those nations! Has the USAF ever gone up against MIG-31? MIG-29SMT? SU-27? SU-30 ? Never! Not only did they never go up against those, but also never piloted by Russian or Soviet expert pilots.

You put up Russian Airforce today against Jordan's Airforce with their F-16 and F-15. Who do you think would win? Put up Russian Army with their T-90 tanks against Egypt M1 Abrams. Who would win? Americans trained and equipped Georgian military for 10 years, with all nice equipment and tactics. What good did it do? All Russians had to do was send one division there to crush the Georgians.

Russian Aircraft (also tanks and other weapon systems) are more practical, simpler to repair and maintain, and they fly more. American planes are requiring more maintenance and spend more time on the ground.

 

Possibly nothing at all. Could be that Russia still has never sold an SU35 outside of Russia, flying since the 80s, because the Russians charge too much for them. And I think it's KGB who uses the above logic and that's why he can't bring himself to accept the fact that they've never been able to sell one and why they are now pushing so hard for this sale to Russia.

 

And an interesting philosophy on aircraft development as well. Rugged, not too technologically advanced to be a problem. I think even the Mig-29 had tractor wheels that could be cannibalised from farm vehicles if needed. Now that philosophy may be a hangover from the Great Patriotic War and with the advances in development in all Russian aircraft firms it might be a dated view, which is my mistake, but there is no doubt that the Russian philosophy is very different from ours in the West.

 

HA!

Ask ANY Aussie if they would EVER either want or trust CHINA in any way shape manner or form!

Yeah...LOL! THAT...is who Australians want to be controlling them...China! LOL!

China has neither the Military or influence to control Australia in any way.

As well the United States Military and specifically the U.S. Navy in the Pacific is MASSIVE. China has ZERO capability to counter or influence anything in the Pacific should the U.S. Military force China in whatever manner is necessary.

China doesn't even have the Military capability to invade Taiwan which is right of it's coast if it should have to encounter the U.S. Military. China has very little Force Projection capabilities as well China neither has the proper Naval Landing Craft to even be able to deal with the Taiwan Military blowing up such craft as they were sent in.

If China was in a direct confrontation with the U.S....the U.S. Navy and U.S. Air Force would be able to destroy Chinese Naval Ships at WILL...and any Chinese Troop Carrying Landing Craft sent to attempt crating a Beachhead upon Taiwan would be quickly sunk by the multitude of Virginia and Los Angeles Class Attack Subs the U.S. Navy has in the Pacific.

General Chen Bingde upon visiting and observing the U.S. Navy at Norfolk as well as other U.S. Bases made a statement to the World Media stating that China Military was inferior by multiple decade to that of the United States Military and due to poor Chinese training, equipment and an overall disparity of Military capability as he stated the Chinese Military was not even CLOSE to as powerful and capable as the U.S. Military...that China's Military POSED NO THREAT TO THE UNITED STATES.....LINK...http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/19/us-usa-china-idUSTRE74I05720110519

After General Chen Bingde made these statements to the World Media upon learning of his statements THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY FREAKED! General Chen Bingde once back in China WAS ALMOST ARRESTED as he was forced to explain his statements in front of a Meeting of the Chinese Communist Party Leadership...as this leadership was Red Hot Angry that their own General would embarrass the Communist Party by admitting China was weak and as General Bingde was also allowed to be shown a few Secret Weapons Programs....which if you check this out the U.S. House and Senate went NUTS...when they heard a Chinese General was allowed to see these programs and Congress sited the Law that states that foreign military personal are not to be allowed access to any such programs.

Anyway the reason WHY this General was allowed to see these Secret Programs is that this was a ploy to allow China to understand that due to Ultra-High Tech. and Ultra-Powerful U.S. Advanced Weapon Systems....any possible Chinese Invasion attempt of Taiwan would fail miserably.

General Bingde being threatened with DECADES IN PRISON had to explain and provide proof of the existence of such Ultra-High Tech. Weapons possessed by the United States Military as if it were not for several of his aids testifying at this hearing with the leadership of the Chinese Communist Party....as this leadership...DID NOT BELIEVE GENERAL BINGDE'S STATEMENTS that such advanced U.S. Weapons existed...so if not for the testimony of several Aids as well as the testimony of Bingde's always present with him...CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY REVOLUTIONARY OFFICER....who is a officer that is basically a SPY of the Communist Party and such officers as assigned to EVERY SINGLE HIGH RANKING CHINESE MILITARY OFFICER...as well as all Ship or Sub commanders have one present with their crew and so does every Chinese Major and up.

This Officer confirmed the existence of these Weapons and General Bingde was not arrested.

But if any here check out the link and the date this happened you will realize that before this date the Chinese were threatening to reclaim Taiwan on almost a daily basis.

A week after General Bingde came home....NOT ONE WORD OF INVADING TAIWAN HAS BEEN MADE BY ANY HIGHER UP IN EITHER CHINA'S MILITARY OR GOVERNMENT SINCE!

THAT....shows all of us exactly what the Chinese themselves think and view the U.S. Military and it's capabilities.

AboveAlpha

 

Anyway I think the original article was being a bit mischievous. It mentioned Australia being cranky with India because of independence and the British Empire. Couldn't be more wrong, we only get cranky with India when they do us over in cricket.

 

Here is a LINK that lists every Tank currently in service and in storage of every country that has them. If you notice you will see that Russia only has 400 T-90's in service. As well the vast number of other older Russian Tanks in storage are said to be 85% unable to be used. This was reported by the GRU.

Now look at the U.S. listed number of various Abrams Tanks.

LINK...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_main_battle_tanks_by_country

AboveAlpha

 

There has never been a tank battle between Russia and USA, and there will never be one.

Upgraded and modernized tanks such as T-72 and T-80 are pretty close to T-90 anyway.

You forgot to mention helicopters, where Russia has always had an edge and more success on the battlefield. MI-24, KA-52, and MI-28. These are excellent machines. Americans have a huge edge in UAV, because Russia fell behind due to the collapse of USSR. Russia struggles in the UAV field without a doubt.

You can't compare Russian Army to an American Army right now. USA didn't go through the collapse of their county into 13 different pieces and collapse of economy. Without a doubt American soldiers are better equipped and trained than Russian ones. To deny that one would have to be a fool. However in the 1980s it was pretty darn close when comparing them though. American defense budget is bigger than all other countries in the world combined. Russian budget is somewhere $60 billion. How can you compare that? However for the money, Russia does very well.

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There has never been a tank battle between Russia and USA, and there will never be one.

Upgraded and modernized tanks such as T-72 and T-80 are pretty close to T-90 anyway.

You forgot to mention helicopters, where Russia has always had an edge and more success on the battlefield. MI-24, KA-52, and MI-28. These are excellent machines. Americans have a huge edge in UAV, because Russia fell behind due to the collapse of USSR. Russia struggles in the UAV field without a doubt.

You can't compare Russian Army to an American Army right now. USA didn't go through the collapse of their county into 13 different pieces and collapse of economy. Without a doubt American soldiers are better equipped and trained than Russian ones. To deny that one would have to be a fool. However in the 1980s it was pretty darn close when comparing them though. American defense budget is bigger than all other countries in the world combined. Russian budget is somewhere $60 billion. How can you compare that? However for the money, Russia does very well.

 

The United States has a much greater number of IN SERVICE Attack Helicopters than Russia by a VERY LARGE MARGIN.

The majority of Soviet Era Hind's are now unusable.

AboveAlpha

 

Vehemence is not a substitute for knowledge.

 

Do you have any contact with serving officers in the PLA? They believe anyone can be defeated when the timing and the tactics are aligned. I think they're right. I'm not the only westerner who believes they are right.

 

I also agree with this statement.

The thing is the PLA and it's Generals are under the authority of the Chinese Communist Party. As long as the Party will continue to assert it's control over the PLA's Leadership's decision making...the PLA will remain a Non-Factor Militarily.

As example...recently as a result of the Communists Parties dispute with Japan over ownership of Islands were Oil and Natural gas have been found....a Chinese Naval Force was sent from China toward the Japanese Islands with the intent to get the U.S. Navy to react thus for the first time showing that China's Navy would be considered a Force to Recon with by the U.S. Navy.

This plan of action was decided by the Chinese Communist Party and NOT by the Chinese Naval Leadership that adamantly protested such an action.

These are the words of a Chinese Naval Leader who was on those Chinese ships that traveled to that area.

"We we told to go to an area near mainland Japan which was from a tactical perspective as being a SITTING DUCK! We allowed our Ships in a position to be easily targeted and sunk by Japanese and American Naval and Air Forces had they so desired. We were placing our sailors and ships in grave danger. And what was the American Naval response? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! They didn't even pay attention as we were but a small force in the water with sharks. It was absolutely EMBARRASSING!"

AboveAlpha

 

1. The PLA is the armed wing of the Chinese Communist Party. However, it is not altogether clear that the CCP has total control over the PLA. The incident in Hong Kong when the USS Kitty Hawk tried to make a port call at Thanksgiving several years ago demonstrated that the PLA can overrule the civilian party leadership on occasion.

2. I think the Diaoyu Island activity had more to do with the leadership transition in Beijing. Japan was disappointed with Obama's reticence to take their side openly on the territorial dispute.

 

Of what I know...and from what I have been told by associates of mine specific to the U.S. Navy....it has been communicated to various U.S. Naval Officers by their Chinese counterparts during meetings and programs where both Navies participate in drills specific to disaster response and inter-navy communication that the Chinese Naval Officers hold no love for the Chinese Communist Party Leadership that places Revolutionary Ideology Officers upon each Chinese ship.

The old Soviet Union used to do this and the Chinese Naval Officers feel such placed Ideology Officers are intrusive and hold them with the utter most contempt due to their constant interference and meddling.

A Revolutionary Ideology Officer seems to be able to hold greater power than even a Chinese Admiral as in the case of the Diaoyu Island Operation...Chinese Naval Leadership strongly argued against sending Ships to this region but were forced to do so.

As well....it would seem that the Chinese Communist Party is existing in a false reality in that it constantly overstates Chinese Military capabilities as well rather than allow the PLA to develop tactics by training soldiers how to fight a war against a far superior technically advanced force that is lessor in number...the Party being more concerned with the average Chinese Soldiers conceptions that the Chinese Army is undefeatable...and will not allow any training that would be contrary to that ideology.

AboveAlpha