What do you think of Putin's letter to the NYT's?

That's cause the helmsmen on those ships are too busy waving at every passing ship, damn super friendly Canadians....

 

Putin is talking over Obama's head, directly to the American people. What's horrible is that he makes a lot more sense. This will not lead to anything good when our enemies make more sense than our own leaders.

 

Would writing require the use of a teleprompter for him? lol

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I agree. I want to believe what he was saying in sincere but who knows.

 

Putin's letter was too obviously self-serving, overblown and hypocritical. He is revealing himself as an untrustworthy middleman and giving ammunition to Obama to ultimately reject the Russian's proposed "compromise".

 

I think it sounds a lot like something Obama might have written prior to becoming President. This was probably on purpose. The part about American exceptionalism was interesting because Obama used it in his recent speech and because of quotes from him on the topic in the past. The following one in particular comes to mind and I believe has some relevance to the situation if he does decide to go it alone and deal with Syria militarily.

I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism.

I see no contradiction between believing that America has a continued extraordinary role in leading the world towards peace and prosperity and recognizing that that leadership is incumbent, depends on, our ability to create partnerships because we create partnerships because we can't solve these problems alone.

- Barack Obama

 

I believe the poison gas came from the rebels. Russia gains nothing, they didnt have before.

 

Right, me too. For the President to sit and say we are so exceptional is a effing joke when chicago and Detroit look the way they do. Hes delusional and I wish he would step down.

 

Don't worry about the military, we've got that covered. You would have to be a real moron to (*)(*)(*)(*) with Canada with us sitting at the next table.

Just keep the Hockey players coming. In fact, my Rangers could use a couple of goal scorers. Can you help us out?

 

What too many very very naive Americans will never grasp is that the Russians have 'gamed' the scenario between the US Russia Syria Iran Irag...........every effing country in the ME tens of thousands of times. There are literally thousands of the brightest people in the world who spend their entire careers sitting in front of 'super-computers' running scenarios 24/7. 'What if'? Then what? That's all they think about. The US does the same thing. They have people who spend their entire careers attempting to find ways to destroy America. Then they switch sides and do it again. Point being. Putin has 'models' of anything Obama could ever possibly do and Putin is sitting back simply ticking off the boxes watching yet another stupid naive American dig their own hole.

 

In the NFL, this would be considered "taunting."

Putin bested Hussein Obama and is crowing about it.

 

Agreed. There was a time when an American president could easily outwit his Russian opponents, as Reagan did back in the 80's, but those days are long gone. To make matters worse in a cage-match of mentality, Vladimir Putin was a Colonel in the KGB during some very turbulent times in Russia. By contrast, Obama has been nothing but a fairyland socialist community-organizer and college teacher, and, for the level of world leaders that makes him little more than a scatter-brained child....

The most troubling thing Putin said, reflecting on Obama's Tuesday address to the nation, was this:

"...I would rather disagree with a case he made on American exceptionalism, stating that the United States’ policy is “what makes America different. It’s what makes us exceptional.” It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation...."

Yes, there was a time when we in America were exceptional! We rose above all our troubles and difficulties, and made what was the greatest nation on Earth. But, today, Putin is, unfortunately, correct. Neither our domestic, nor our foreign policies have been "exceptional" in any way since about the year 2000, except maybe exceptionally misguided, mishandled, corrupted, and divided. We, as a nation, have done little but make one disastrous mistake after another after another, during the administrations of both Idiot Bush and Idiot Obama. Now, we're broke, dispirited, angry, and, suffering a decline in our American standard of living. Worse, we have become absent-minded and delusional (like Idiot Bush and Idiot Obama)....

We can have Sec. of State, John Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov clean up Obama's stupid "red line" Syria mess, and thereafter focus our attention on our own damned business and our own national interests. And perhaps in time, we can become "exceptional" again....

 

Somehow this image seems very appropriate here.

 

LMAO, yeah, Putin is a real champion of democracy.

 

I think it was a great letter.

I think the world is beyond the global cabal's BS.

I think the American public is beyond the global cabal's BS.

I think globalists need a "come to Jesus" moment.

I just wonder if they have lied, cheated, stolen, and subverted democracy for so long, that their delusion has become their reality, and are no longer capable of "being real".

 

I know what you're saying. Politicians talk about America being "exceptional", like they TALK about everything else. It's just one of those things to which they feel obligated to pay lip service. However, it's much better for the nation to conduct itself exceptionally (e.g. with exceptional integrity, etc.) than to yap about how special America is in speeches - especially when the speakers may not even believe that there is anything exceptional about the nation.

In that vein, I agree with Putin's statement:

"...I would rather disagree with a case he made on American exceptionalism, stating that the United States’ policy is “what makes America different. It’s what makes us exceptional.” It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation...."


Putin's criticism is especially relevant if we actually aren't exceptional in the integrity of our motivations and subsequent conduct. In my opinion, we are currently anything but exceptional. We may spend one helluva fortune on our military but it takes a lot more than being able to threaten others with widespread violence to be exceptional. It takes, among other things, wisdom and character in both leaders and the led - things that even three quarters of a trillion dollars in annual spending can't buy. Since neither personal nor national character can be purchased, international respect isn't a function of how much money or even how many bombers' bombs we throw at various problems. We've been coasting a long while on the diligence of past generations and we've pretty much depleted whatever leftover reserves that virtue may have provided.

So in my mind, Putin made a valid point. It's shallow and baseless boasting to talk the talk if we're unwilling to walk the walk. And if we're walking the walk, there's really no need for a lot of prideful talk.

 

Agreed - he was brilliant and cut through the fog of hyprocrisy as usual. I particularly liked the way he gave Obama a slap when addressing his use of the word 'exceptional'.

"It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation. There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. Their policies differ, too. We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord’s blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal."

Vladimir V. Putin is the president of Russia.
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Putin is a thug, but his opponent was a inept Community Organizer.

 

You hit the bullseye! And the funny thing, in the predictably sick way that Obama's media sycophants are always "funny", is the way they've cooked up this fiction that -- ACTUALLY -- President Warlord and Vladimir Putin worked together to come up with the "give up the gas" gambit for Syria when Obama was in St. Petersburg last Sunday! For the media clowns, it was, just come up with ANYTHING to somehow cut Obama in on the "glory" after he had already made a total ass out of the whole thing with all his unproven belligerent "red line" bull****! As the children say, "Yeah, RIGHT...."

Even though my fellow right-wing forum posters don't like it much, I still feel that John Kerry deserves all the credit for this American side of this two-man drama, with Vladimir Putin "playing ball" on the Russian side, in exactly the right way at exactly the right time. War was successfully averted! Nothing blew up in our faces, and we didn't get thrust into another disastrous Middle East war! So -- Thank you, Secretary of State, John Kerry, and, thank you, President of Russia, Vladimir Putin.

Whatever remains that is "exceptional" in the United States, it sure as hell isn't that reckless, crestfallen moron who's littering the White House this evening....

 

If I was the President, I would go ahead with meeting the Russian weasels and find out just how slimy their proposal is, and then I would publicly denounce it as an attempt to legitimize the use of chemical weapons by the Assad regime and instead give Syria solid deadlines for doing various things. For example, Syria would have 48 hours to provide a list and location of all their chemical weapons. All the deadlines would be reasonable but tight (no diplomatic wriggle room) and the threat of immediate military action if they are not complied with would be explicit.

That way, Obama and the USA no longer look like wimpy patsies of the Russians and Putin is revealed for the snake he is. It's a win-win for America.

 

When a clown like Putin begins to look credible..............not as funny as our clown though.

 

You mean, you'd confirm Putin's assertion about our aggression before the World. You'd go great with our teleprompter in Chief . It's not on the account of our might that this debacle has occurred.

It's in our MISUSE of it. At this time, American diplomatic and foreign policy credibility has been SHOT out of the window. Least of which due to the suspect characters that we're "arming".

The only credit Kerry deserves is in agreeing to Putin's proposal. But then, that's so easy a caveman could've done it.

'16 can't get here soon enough.

 

It would serve Obama right if Syria did exactly what you suggest!

"Sure, here's all the chemical/biological weapons that we know anything about, President Warlord... come and get 'em! Oh, by the way, you'll have to contact Hezbollah, al Qaeda, and the Iranians to get the location and weapons count on all their crap inside Syria, too...."

Without saying too much, I'll remind you of what has been common knowledge for decades in this country: the movement and storage of chemical/biological weapons inside the United States (which is secure) is a very difficult, dangerous, constantly monitored series of situations. It is more difficult to get into these American storage facilities for chemical/biological weapons than it is to get inside NORAD.

Can you even begin to understand what would be involved in finding, transporting, and storing all this incredibly toxic crap in Syria? And where do you want to take it? Should we bring it all back to the United States?!

Tell you what -- why don't all you good-hearted hyperlibs go volunteer to do these jobs for your wonderous President Warlord, and the rest of us will remember to put flowers on your graves if, uh, anything bad, uh, "happens" to you....

 

I agree with everything you said except for Kerry. He's just an accident. Putin was solely responsible for this interlude.

Anyway.....oh, those Russians!!

[video=youtube;D6P_nitWCRc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6P_nitWCRc[/video]

 

Putin deserves to crow.

He played a weaker hand and beat Hussein Obama like a noob.

Putin is simply the better man. And the US is stuck with a loser.