Why are we, as conservatives, so against immigration reform?

There is more than one way to skin a cat.

Rand Paul made an offhand suggestion that we stop legal immigration for 11 years until we work through the backlog of illegals, if we feel it's that important for them to become legal.

I've thought that those organizations and institutions that lobby and support amnesty should pay for it. If say, Google, or the Catholic Church, really think legalizing illegals is that important, they can put up a bond for 10 years or so for a probation period for each illegal they want legalized. If the amnestied person commits a crime or needs social services, one that the Catholic Church has bonded, they forfeit the bond and are responsible for all costs associated with the criminal justice system or social services. Same thing for Google.

 

I think they've forgotten what their fictional Saint Ronnie did on the subject. Not the real Ronnie, the hallucination they worship.

 

Don't flatter yourself. You are not credible.

If you prefer I could tell you that you are an embarrassment. I prefer to thank you for the mild comic relief.

 

You really should not try this.

Limited government is a government that is limited in what it is allowed to do. This has been the definition of limited government for a very long time. Perhaps you misplaced the memo. Our Constitution limits government by granting it specific enumerated powers. Those are the things the Framers agreed the Federal government should do. Limited government is not a weak ineffective government. If that was the goal we would have kept the Articles of Confederation.

If possible think before you write.

 

Oh no. Not another one...

 

I believe Reagan did say he regretted trusting the Democrats on this. I know I wished he had never done it. Never, ever trust a Democrat.

 

You have that backwards Daniel. Capitalism bails out socialism because socialism is a dismal failure and causes the economy to lose prosperity.

 

Capitalism is a dismal failure as well. Pure capitalism is the most barbaric state possible. That is why we became enlightened and went to a mixed economy.

 

Socialism bails out capitalism with our Peoples' Mint.

 

But it is the government that runs everything into the ground Daniel.

 

Here's a group of young men who love the glory of the State. I wouldn't consider them to be a bunch of rugged individualists, would you?
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...&mid=3473FADE54E09570638B3473FADE54E09570638B

 

Not credible to young, Reaganist raised on Reaganism, to whom REAL conservatism is a unknown entity. Must be uncomfortable to find out you (and most of Republicans) have been wrong sine the 1980s, and current politicians of older age (ex. Romney) only go along with it because the young (under 40) psuedo-Conservatives represent so many votes. Credibility isn't a problem. Keeping taxes on the rich low, keeping spending low, maintaining small, weak govt. These things don't pay for ICE agents, CBP officers, building the border fence, creating immigration courts & jails, and doing a 2013 Operation Wetback, deporting millions of illegal alien invaders. They don' t pay to hire FBI and CIA agents, to stop Muslim loonies, or build prisons, hire cops, etc. Stick with your psuedo-conservatism which takes us further and further away from our American roots and culture, if it makes you feel better, but I;ll wager YOU KNOW I'm right.

PS - you're also handing the Democrats a pair of aces when you allow them to claim illegal immigration is your fault, by not providing the funds to stop it. Unfortunately, they're right.

 

You talk about what you want to talk about. I'll talk about what I want to talk about. And I'm talking about the LIMITED GOVT favored by Republicans in the 21st century, which has done just what I said. Prevented the funding from being made available to fight illegal immigration, Islamization, terrorism, crime in general, etc. IMO this borders on treason.

 

Of course you remain free to stay wrong for as long as you wish. No one can help you as long as you voluntarily to choose to be wrong.

 

I think you could broaden your statement a little bit to "Never, ever, trust a politician."

 

I would be happy to ditch our drug war.

 

In general yes. In context no. My comment was about Reagan's failure to know that the Democrats were lying to him.

 

Sorry, Capitalism was working just fine until government got involved. Capitalism need a certain amount of regulation to make it work, but then government needs to step back and let it work. Where they screw up came about when we forced Capitalism to give out loans to those who couldn't afford it. Then we threw the doors open for them to leave with NAFTA and Free Trade. Before that, Capitalism was working just fine.

 

Um, government regulation turns capitalism into a mixed economy.... not capitalism.

 

It would seem Democrats don't mind lying or keeping their promises. I don't understand that except they are willing to follow their leadership like sheep. Right or wrong.

 

Since you can't provide a shred of evidence to show that I'm wrong, and I could provide one House of Representitives vote after another, for years, to show that I'm right, as well as dozens of speeches by John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, et al Republican psuedo-Conservatives, all favoring low tax/low spend policies directly limiting the govt's capability to stop illegal immigration, terrorism, Islamization, the Taliban, al Qaeda, the Muslim Brotherhood, crime in general, etc, I might as well just claim victory (as anyone can plainly see) in this debate, and continue with my other threads.

As for the Democrats, sure, they are heavily at fault in these issues too, but just not in the same way.

 

You are still wrong and most likely always shall be. But carry on.

 

Too bad none of the facts support your statement.