The Abortion Debate...there is NOTHING like it!

Assumes facts not in evidence.

Where is the list of 1 million adoptive parents willing to adopt these unwanted babies?

Oh wait, there are still all of those unwanted kids in foster homes that were never adopted.

 

So I've showed you the chart which proves the rate of premarital sex has increased in all age groups. Nearing 90-100% in many age groups.
The STD rate is also shooting off the charts.

How do you ignore this data and say that the STD rate increase has nothing to do with the increased rate in sex? STDs are by their very definition spread by sex. More sex with more partners = More STDs. It's a really simple formula.

 

Please provide the data that shows women are using abortion as birth control.

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Untrue

 

I didn't take it as a dig at men, I took it how you meant it a cherrybpicked item that you could attempt to make fun of .... You failed.

Nope they are selfish acts. Nobody is denying that the desire to have children is not normal in some people, the key word being desire, if a person has no desire to have children then NO person has the right to force them to.

More assumptions without facts by you.

 

Women are not broodmares for the barren. Let them adopt one of the thousands of older children or children from other countries needing loving homes. Or be foster parents, there's a huge need.

 

I haven't ignored the data I asked you to qualify you statement about the rise behind the increase in STD's being due to people having multiply partners before marriage, which as yet you have failed to do.

STD's can be transmitted without sex taking place, I really cannot believe you do not know that.

The reality is that the number of sexual partner's people have in their lifetime is FALLING.
People born in the first decades of the 20th century had an average of 3 sex partners in a lifetime, while those born in the 1930s and 1940s had 5 partners. Things changed with the arrival of the baby boomers in the late 40's, 1950's and early 60's who averaged 12 partners, those born in the late 60's and 70's will have on average 10 partners and those born in the 80's and 90's will average 8.

SOURCES: Jean Twenge, Ph.D., professor of psychology, San Diego State University; May 5, 2015, Archives of Sexual Behavior

 

No, they would have unsafe, illegal abortions.

 

Isn't that the point though, pro-lifers would say that it was her choice to break the law

Still wondering how the cops, courts would go about investigating and prosecuting an alleged illegal abortion.

 

The whooping cough can be spread by sex too, but guess what? It's mostly spread by coughing.

The reality is that the number of celibate couples is dropping to almost 0. At that point you can make whatever magical correlation you want. Unless you are celibate, you don't really have any positive affect on the STD transmission rate do you?

 

I merely reply to what you write, if you cannot render a sentence that is correct then the failure is on your part not mine. The fact remains that STD's do not require sex to be transmitted.

The reality being that pretty much everything you have posted has been assumption without fact or simply wrong.

3% of the U.S. population remain celibate until marriage, that is 10 million people, a far cry from your erroneous "almost 0" figure.

 

Just what this nation doesn't need, a phony "war on abortion"!

 

No one wants women to get pregnant so that childless couples can adopt; it's just the right thing to do.

 

No, they wouldn't. Before Roe v. Wade about 10,000 abortions annually were performed at hospitals. Abortion as birth control has raised the slaughter to over a million each year.

 

What!!??? Women should be obligated to provide kids for other people!!???? What!?!

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Do please show the records of abortions performed before 1973.

 

No one was keeping records of all of the backstreet abortions.

 

They're already murderers...but thanks to Roe v. Wade, murder is legal.

I'm well-informed about "the system." My family has seven adopted members and provides foster care for families in crisis. Adoptive couples can wait years for infants. Babies and toddlers that come into the system, even those with special needs are in demand. There are many factors that keep older children in the the system...it doesn't belong in this discussion anyway.

Do you know any women other than a paid surrogate who became pregnant to supply children for adoption? Of course not; just another ridiculous assertion by pro-abortionists.

 

Well, like all other Anti-Choicers you have no answers for :


NOW, explain exactly what you would say to the 911 operator when you called to report a suspected abortion?

HOW do you suspect an abortion?

Where's the "body"?

Where's the evidence?

Will you turn in your wife? Your daughter?

Do you prefer life in prison or execution for these women? Don't worry, it won't get that far , you haven't figured out how to suspect, charge, investigate, prosecute or anything else in your mad rush to take away women's rights and declare them murderers...""""""""""

NO one is guilty of murder until it's proven they have committed murder. YOU believe all women are murderers ...guilty until proven innocent. Would you like a judge and jury to feel that way about you?
And YOU were the one proposing that women should provide kids for other people, that was YOU.


And I find it funny that every Anti-Choicers claims that they have adopted/fostered lots of kids....with NO proof whatsoever.


Why are there so many kids still in the system?

WHY should a woman provide kids for others?
You haven't answered that question either.

 

Still waiting for that data that shows that the majority of abortions are for "birth control" reasons, as to your figure of 10,000 abortions prior to Roe it is not correct, extrapolation from data from North Carolina, concluded that an estimated 829,000 illegal or self-induced abortions occurred in 1967, and overall figures suggest between 200,000 and 1.2 million abortions were taking place per year .. The reality is that it is next to impossible to know the true figure of abortions prior to Roe as they were not recorded ergo any attempts at comparison prior and after Roe are irrelevant due to unreliable data.

So far in this subject you have spouted lots of assumptions and opinions without backing them up and it has been noted that you ignore any response that shows your assumptions and opinions are, in reality, wrong.

 

Such an Oxymoron, by definition murder cannot be legal.

Tell me is a person who kills another person who is injuring them a murderer?

You very well may be well informed on "the system" .. in the end we only have your word for that and if you other comments are anything to go on then I for one would question just how well informed you are.

Explain how 10% of children in care age out of the system (figure form 2013) if as you assert there are adoptive parents waiting "years". BTW I notice you specify infants and that is a big problem, Adoptive parents generally want younger children, white babies are in the biggest demand.

 

In nearly every state, about 65 percent to 75 percent of unintended pregnancies were considered mistimed and 25 percent to 35 percent unwanted, according to analysis by the Guttmacher Institute in New York, which studies reproductive issues. More than half of pregnancies in 29 states and the District of Columbia were unintended; 38 percent to 50 percent were unintended in the remaining states.

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2011-05-unplanned-pregnancies-percent.html#jCp

and you're welcome....

 

I went back 5 pages and couldn't find what stats I was asking for.....and since you never provide any I can only guess.....care to tell me?

Or tell me the point you're trying to make with the stats you did provide?????

 

Oh! you caught on! The one being affected the most CAN'T be asked....so it's all about what the person who wants a kid wants.....that's selfish.
But , unlike you , I grew out of the childish version of "selfish" and realize that when ANYONE does what they want it's selfish, not bad, selfish(thinking only of what they want or need)....I don't think you'll ever get past the child's definition of "selfish".


And you "think" I'm angry and irrational which is based on what all your other claims are based on....NOTHING.

Or is that your excuse for not answering inconvenient questions.

 

Verb 1. murder - kill intentionally and with premeditation; "The mafia boss ordered his enemies murdered"
Synonyms: bump off, slay, polish off, dispatch, remove, hit (add abort) Most dictionaries define murder as unlawful killing. That's why I refer to abortion as "legal murder." It's certainly done with intentionally and with premeditation...killing that's bought and paid for.

Is there any pro-abortionists that aren't obsessed with the sex lives of the bonobos? Name another animal....