Theists - who created your god?

Never heard of that one.

 

Just your attitude and nastiness would more than enough to denounce aby God that guides you. Added to this disgusting exhibition would be the "Ignorance" exhibited in your designations of "Ignorance. No one "Knows" how this universe was created....claiming you do is a very profound example of the "Ignorance" you refer to.

 

Why haven't your Gods returned?

 

you are pretty, don't go to prison.

 

Give them time, they're finicky that way.

 

LOL! Are you unable to read the thread? Do so - and apologize. Or not.

 

Thanks but I'm taken.

What does this have to do with the thread?

Am I supposed to know A Chaukan son of gout?

 

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The church leaders Testify of Jesus Christ.

 

IMO, if you can say to yourself that you don't know, it means you believe it's possible and that makes you an agnostic, not an atheist. But that's just the way I see it, others see it differently.

I didn't say it was, to me the two are mutually exclusive and putting the two together to try to form yet another definition is just a way to say one is really an agnostic but doesn't want to admit it. And again, that's just the way I see it.

 

Yes, to not admit profound ignorance is stupid, since all humans have been, are and will be for the foreseeable future.
Part of the ignorance is in not knowing how the universe was initiated. As for as how it evolved, I have a pretty fair understanding of the known science so far. My "belief" is not at all odd, since it is based on evidence, not mysticism and metal age relics.

And I am an agnostic atheist. I do not claim to know that god does not exist, merely that there is no evidence to support the claim of its existence.

keep looking up, you'll get it one day.

 

A chacun son gout? It is a french term that translates as "each to his own taste".

 

I can dig that.

 

I am stunned! You understood that my post was not a personal attack! Thanks for the very good and responsive reply.

Of course, there is evidence of how the universe has evolved. It's creation is the interesting mystery that spawns religions.

Those who *believe* the material universe 'just happened' have themselves entered the realm of the supernatural. OTH, your position is defensible.

 

We can start with Surah Ikhlas:

112:1 Say: He is God, the One and Only;

112:2 God, the Eternal, Absolute;

112:3 He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;

112:4 And there is none like unto Him.

 

circular logic.

 

Do you feel that "creation" has been adequately "explained" by any religious tradition?

 

Also utterly devoid of explanatory power. The thing about the Abrahamic God is that it's always something of a placeholder in human understanding, a symbol for certain feelings of awe and reverence, and of course notions of infinity, eternity and absolutes. These concepts don't really work in science, where things have to be somehow observable and measurable to be taken into consideration. It is science's greatest strength to remain grounded and based in fact, but the religious try to turn this into a weakness when they point out where science lacks an explanation for something. Somehow we're supposed to accept the religious position if science doesn't have a good answer.

 

Thank you for the references.

So, no causality required for god, but for everything else. God is eternal and unborn so cannot be referenced by actual human knowledge of existence.

OTOH, I guess such explanations are a facile way of dismissing the logical conundrums posed by our own existence wrt to our relationship to a creator.

 

If causality was required for God, He wouldn't be God.

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"...don't really work in science. "

Response: No one cares expects atheists, whose God is science.

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How so?

 

how do you know God ain't a "She"?

 

Ugh, not this stupid question again. Again, blame the English language for not providing the appropriate pronoun.

 

Oh? So if god has an origin, he wouldn't be god, therefore he doesn't have one? Interesting circular logic there.

Are you familiar with El and Ashera and their roles in the development of monotheism?

Why do you insist on continually mischaracterizing atheists?

 

How about 'it'?

 

No, a god who has an origin is not worthy of worship. Hence, Islam asserts that there is no god worthy of worship save for God.

I don't.

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"It" doesn't offer the suitable connotations.

 

Can we possibly admit 'creation' can never be fully explained? If the universe is infinite and possibly only a miniscule fraction of an infinite number of multiverses there's no way an investigation of it's nature can ever collect all the facts. You'd need an infinite store of information and an infinite time to collect it. No wonder we have a persistant urge to imagine a grey bearded man up in the sky started it all. The big question though is why a male?