Israel passes 'Nation State' law enshrining Jewish supremacy

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  1. Woogs

    Woogs Well-Known Member

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    This seems fairly cut and dried. Israel has passed a law which gives the state de jour apartheid status. Israel has a 20% Arab population, btw.

    It's easy to see this for what it is. Could America, for instance, pass such a law for white people?

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    http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-pass-law-enshrining-jewish-supremacy-878258111

    Israel passed a law on Thursday giving Jews supremacy over all non-Jewish Israeli citizens, which critics and members of the state's Palestinian minority called racist, likening the legislation to apartheid.

    The "Nation State" law passed by a vote of 62-55 and two abstentions in the 120-member parliament after months of political argument. Following the vote Palestinian lawmakers shouted and tore up papers.

    Parliament Speaker Yuli-Yoel Edelstein called on security to eject the Palestinian MPs, who were led out crying "You are racist".

    "This is a defining moment in the annals of Zionism and the history of the state of Israel," Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told the Knesset, Israel's parliament, after the vote.


    What is Israel's Nation State law?

    - Less than 500 words in length, the law says Israel is the “historical homeland” and the “national home” of the Jewish people

    - It says that only Jews have the right to exercise national self-determination in Israel

    - It says that Jerusalem is Israel’s capital and Hebrew is its language

    - It describes Jewish settlement as a “national value” to be promoted by the state

    Read in full: Israel's Nation State of the Jewish People Law

    Hassan Jabareen, general director of Adalah, the Legal Centre for Arab Minority Rights in Israel, said the law features key elements of apartheid, which he said "is not only immoral but also absolutely prohibited under international law".

    "The new law constitutionally enshrines the identity of Israel as the nation-state of the Jewish people only – despite the 1.5 million Palestinian citizens of the state and residents of East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights – and guarantees the exclusive ethnic-religious character of Israel as Jewish," he said.
     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    The U.S. DID live under similar laws for white people for most of its history. Before the Civil War, blacks were slaves in a white nation. After the Civil War various laws were passed in individual states restricting civil rights for anyone with darker skin color. This continued until the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1965 under President Lyndon Johnson. Between 1965 and 2008, civil rights for all Americans continued to improve. The election of Barack Obama as our first "black" President seemed to finally verify we'd reached racial equality in America at long last. But Obama's election triggered a sickening, long-simmering reaction by the racist minority to stop the spread of civil rights for all, and return to having them for whites only. The election of Donald Trump in 2016 sealed that trend in concrete, and we are now caught in a great struggle to determine whether this nation will ever actually live up to the grand ideals on which it was founded, or whether we will ultimately go the way of all other failed nations in history and cave to the dark forces of distrust, hatred, prejudice & racism. I will always personally support any and all efforts toward universal equal civil rights for everyone.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    i dont like this law as it does not mention democracy or equal rights for all citizens.

    however, this law makes Israel no more "supremacist" that Ireland, Germany, France, or Russia.
     
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    yasureoktoo Banned

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    Israel wants the land to be a Jewish state, and have every right to do so, especially considering where they are.
    The muslims could easily overrun them, and since muslims have been doing that for 1400 years, they know quite a bit about it.
     
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    Ever since the passage of the 14th amendment, the US has had laws providing for equal protection. While they may not have been respecred, we at least had the law. Israel has gone in the opposite direction by legally enshrining discrimination.
     
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    No surprise here. Despite the presence of many good men and women there, the Israeli government is cruel and weird.
     
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    The same argument could be made here in the US as white people founded this country and are being demographically marginalized.

    So, put you down as the US being a white Christian state only?
     
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    Yeah, the law didn't pass with an overwhelming majority and there have been protests by Jews in Israel against it.

    This is the Zionists using their Jewishness (the holocaust, oh, no!!) to provide shade for apartheid.

    Bet their won't be a peep from AIPAC, either.
     
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    For many years, Israel has been pulled in two opposing directions. . .whether it was to be a successful democracy in the Middle East, or whether it would become another theocratic nation with rights for the religious majority only. From it founding until 1967, it stood out as a successful democratic society. After the 1967 war, more conservative elements in Israel began making inroads toward political power. These conservatives were for making Israel a distinct Jewish country, thus reducing or eliminating civil rights for other religious persuasions. Conservatives were strengthened when Russia began allowing Jews freedom to immigrate from Russia to Israel during the late 1980s thru the 1990s. Russian Jews were much more conservative than early Israeli immigrants from Europe post WWII, and their arrival and participation politically strengthened conservative views in Israel. They helped elect Netanyahu as Prime Minister, and supported his arch-conservative policies. This new law is the ultimate result.
     
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    When America wants an international edge they just print up a few gazillion more dollars without andy collateral. When the Israeli government wants to screw the Arabs (again) they just make up a new law in their favour.
     
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    Agreed.
     
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    You may be interested in this:

    https://www.merip.org/mer/mer182/russian-jewish-immigration-future-israeli-palestinian-conflict

    Political Impact
    Right-wing politicians were initially excited at the prospect of a large wave of Russian Jewish immigrants. First, they believed that immigrants leaving a communist society would lean rightward politically. Second, such immigrants were expected to be more dubious than veteran Israelis of the prospects of a peace settlement with the “non-democratic” Arab world. [19] The right was disappointed, however, as the newcomers proved more interested in socioeconomic improvement than in advancing the political prospects of the right. When Likud leaders linked settlement in the Occupied Territories with immigrant absorption, they diverted money away from jobs and housing within Israel, adversely affecting the material conditions of the immigrants. The 200,000 eligible “Russian” voters in the June 1992 parliamentary elections favored the center-left camp to the Likud by a margin of 47 to 18 percent. [20]

    Even so, the sheer weight of numbers of immigrants has brought about pressures that have led to discriminatory practices.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is legal under American Federal law to racially discriminate in housing if the development is below a certain size.

    Israel has a similiar law just with a bigger minimum size.
     
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    And of course it gets the full support of the US. I hardly believe that the prospect of this law caught the US unaware, but not a peep against it from our government.
     
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    USA allows racial discrimination in housing, just as Israel does.
     
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    I credit that fact to the absorption by Israel of hundreds of thousands of ultra-conservative Russian Jews during the 1980s and 1990s. These immigrants had no prior experience with democratic principles living in Russia, so in Israel they brought behaviors and viewpoints familiar to them in Russia, and applied those to politics in Israel, changing it forever.
     
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    But it's not made here, and won't be.
    Israel faces different problems than we do, and they have to deal with them differently to survive.

    If they opened their boarders they would be overrun in a week.
     
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    I don't believe we're in disagreement here. As with all societies, there are constant, conflicting forces at play, and results are hard to track backward for clarity or origins. Certainly, Israel went from a very liberal, open-minded, inclusive society after nationhood in 1948, to what it is today, largely because of the impact of the Russian-Jewish immigration of the late 20th century. It is clear that that immigration has had a major impact on Israel as a society and a nation--not a particularly good one.
     
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    Under any recent President other than Trump, you would have heard more than a peep. But Trump--as in so many issues--disagrees with the majority and supports Natanyahu's policy of advancing illegal Jewish settlements on Arab soil, making Jerusalem the Israeli capital, and severely restricting non-Jewish civil rights. I'm sorry to say this, but under Netanyahu, Israel has become the latest in a long line of Middle Eastern tyrannical nations.
     
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    Hey people. The Jews lost all of their land to the muslims, and all they want back is a piece the size of New Jersey.
    They would rather their kids were in school than in the army, defending encroachers.
     
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    We're not talking about open borders here. But, since you brought it up, Israel does have an open-door policy .... if you're Jewish.
     
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    Yes, if you are Jewish, and they want to keep it that way.

    If they advertised an open boarder for 1 day, the entire country would be overrun.
     
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    I suspect every Jew who has immigrated to Israel since WWII is probably a functional "Zionist," but not all Zionists are comfortable with the extreme views of Netanyahu & his government. The early founders of Israel were "Zionists," but they immigrated from Europe, where there was a strong history of democratic behaviors. Early Israeli leaders honored that background and founded Israel as a parliamentary democracy. Of course there were always a percentage of Israelis who were more extreme in their views, who felt that everything that had ever belonged to the original Israel belonged to the new Israel automatically, without question, no matter how disruptive to the current, local inhabitants. Netanyahu was, and is, one of them. The old guard supporters of a democratic Israel have been out voted. Israel has become just the latest in a long line of Middle Eastern theocracies, with no place for those who are not a part of the accepted majority. :cry:
     
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    Overrun by whom? Lemme guess, Arabs ? Do you think arabs would want to live in israel? If i was one, israel would be the last place i would consider to live.

    I dont know how anyone can approve a law like this, maybe they are more anti arab than a human rights lover.
     
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    Trump is more pro-Israel than other presidents have been. His daughter is Jewish as are his grandkids through her. The Kirchner family is tight with Netanyahoo from way back.

    However, the Jewish lobby is very powerful in the US regardless of who is President. Our government and business leaders read like a who's who of Jews. The law of return makes these people automatically Israeli citizens, so of course Israel's interests are well represented, to say the least.
     

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