Trump knew about the Trump Tower meeting in 2016

Nixon resigned over a breakin of the Democratic head quarters by top aids. Not because he knew about it and approved of it, but because after he found out he tried to hide knowing about it. The tapes is what sunk Nixon. Unless they have a tape or someone says Trump knew, I don't see how anyone can get him on that meeting. Can't be convicted for what they did on their own.

 

Nice summary. Thanks for sharing.

 

Junior is not very bright.

When testifying before the Senate Judiciary Committee in September 2017, Junior said he “did not” tell his father about the email exchange “because I wouldn’t bring him anything that’s unsubstantiated” and “because it had nothing to do with him.”

Goldstone's email said in part, "This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump."

Maybe Junior figured he could do better in a friendly environment. He wanted an exclusive interview with his family’s most ardent Fox News booster, Sean Hannity.

In July 2017 in an interview with Fox News host Sean Hannity, Trump Jr. was asked if he told his father about the meeting. Junior was caught between a rock and a hard place. Hannity's audience is comprised of his dad's adoring admirers. He did not want to lie to them. On the other hand, he could not tell the truth, either, that his father had approved of the meeting. That is the problem when one starts lying. When to stop?

Junior's answer was aided by 20/20 hindsight. His answer was after the fact.

“No,” he replied. “It was such a nothing. There was nothing to tell. I wouldn't have even remembered it until you start scouring through the stuff. It was literally just a wasted 20 minutes, which was a shame.”

In other words, in front of a very friendly interviewer, in front of a very friendly audience, he evaded the question. His answer had nothing to do with the concept that Trump approved of the meeting before it took place and before the results were known.

Junior was protecting his father, which further indicates the truth. Trump approved the meeting in Trump Tower with four representatives of the Russian government.

 

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Take everything else away. We are just talking about the meeting. There is no smoking bullet there. We do not know anything that will get Trump into trouble at this point.

We can go through this one step at a time.
Let's talk about the lying first. Because I want to get it out of the way. He did lie. I know Trump lies.
He lies about affairs, he lies about deals. He lies about anything that could smudge his image.
The lying is irrelevant. All it proves is that you cannot take his word for it. You need to look at the evidence to get the real picture.

You are going to have to prove Trump was involved in the planning of the Russian activities.
Next, you are going to have to prove he was aware of the crimes they were a committing in the process of those activities.
There is your conspiracy charge.

So does your evidence do that?

This is evidence that Trump probably knew about the meeting and knew the topic of the discussion. -
No evidence he was aware of the Russain activities, Least of all planing it.

The Russian pop star saying "this is about Russia's support for your father" means nothing.
What was he referring to? The Russian People? The President? Does it really matter?

What does support mean in that context?
You could say I support Donald Trump.
That might mean that I go online and talk about him in a positive light. It might mean I will help with getting the brand out there so he can get elected.
Maybe I run adds and such.
As long as Trump is not involved in the planning of those ads, It's all legal, even if I meet with him.

It does not mean I am hacking computers and stealing things.
That would be Illegal, and if Trump knew he'd be getting locked up too.

"The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father."

So the "Crown Prosecutor" of Russia met with some pop star's father. The pop-stars father, tells his son, to tell Goldstein to call up Don Jr.
That's a lot of whisper down the lane there. Huh? Right?

Don Jr. was stoked about this meeting. Reading through those emails it's pretty clear he never met this lawyer before. There is no evidence he knew what the info was, how it was sourced or where it came from other than "Russia".

He's a frackn' moron. Why would Russia even have a meeting like this is the first place? Just publish it online! Why risk sending one of your agents to the United States with proof you were behind an actual crime. It didn't have to go through Trump's campaign. That's not the way these things are done.
It may be also important to mention, the lawyer, tricked them so she could try to convince them to talk about lifting sanctions. So, in the end, no information was exchanged.
We know no information was exchanged because we know trump can't keep his trap shut.

The hacking occurred well before the meeting took place. Was Trump even in the running when the hacking was occurring?


Trump says a lot of things. I don't know why you would take anything that comes out of his mouth at face value.

Trust me, Trump wanst saying anything that people who didn't want Clinton in office weren't thinking.
But again it's not evidence of a crime.

No, it proves that Trump knew about the meeting. The WikiLeaks disclosures are proof, someone, probably Russia hacked Podesta and the DNC.
The information in Muller's indictments is evidence people in the Russian government were aware of the hacking and other crimes.

If you feel I have overlooked something please explain it to me.

 

Not really responsive to my comment, but on the other hand, it's not really responsive to anything.

 

Why is it one or the other?

I'm sorry but the question of, "have you stopped beating your wife yet", is a foolish one.

 

And remember that Trump is dealing with a problem Obama handed him because Obama refused to address it.

 

So you don't understand the difference between a dictatorship and a Constitutional Democracy. What a shock,

For actual patriots [look up the meaning sometime], allegiance is to the Constitution and not any one person.

When did this country start producing so many people who have no concept or understanding of the Constitution? It is shocking and horrifying. This is how Hitlers are made.

 

Do you have examples of people following Trump instead of the constitution?

If you do then please share them.

Otherwise there is your sit so go sit down until called upon.

 

His peers are morons, Rod...

 

Hey! Are you a racist, since 9 of the criminal trial jurors were black [morons]? Now 8 of the jurors that found him guilty in the civil trial were white, so I assume you think they are not morons!

Anyway my post was for fun; I don't mean to hijack this thread.

 

What you are adamantly blind and oblivious to is that even if what you say is true (and at least part of it is true) there is nothing illegal with any of this. And whether Trump knew about the meeting himself makes zero difference and is irrelevant

 

Oh, what tangled webs you weave.......

 

You are correct, but I'd like to remind you of a difference. The Watergate break in was a criminal act. The Trump Tower meeting was not a criminal act.

 

The Russians laid it on a little thick in the initial email that started it all for two reasons. One, this was a test. They wanted to see if the highest levels of the Trump campaign would collaborate with the Russian government and the elaboration would be the ultimate test. Two, Russians don't know how to be subtle.

Here is Goldstone's initial email first mentioned in the OP.

On Jun 3, 2016, at 10:36 AM, Rob Goldstone wrote:

Good morning

Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.

The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.

What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?

I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.

Best

Rob Goldstone

"Crown prosecutor of Russia" is pure B.S. only a Trump would believe, but notice they made it perfectly clear this assistance to Trump was coming from the highest levels of the Russian government. Junior said he loved it, and he, Trump's son-in-law, and Trump's campaign manager met with four Russian operatives at Trump's home, one story down from Trump's residence. Trump's campaign bit on the succulent bait. The Russians found out what they needed to know and the purpose of the meeting was served when the three walked through the door.

We know there have multiple lies about this meeting from Trump and Junior. We know Trump promised his audience some revealing information about Hillary Clinton two days before the meeting. We know Trump drafted a statement saying that the meeting concerned the adoption of babies. We know, facing a friendly television audience, Junior equivocated when asked if his father knew about the meeting beforehand.

Now we are asked to believe that the control freak, Donald Trump, knew nothing about this meeting at his home between the highest ranking members of his campaign team -- two of them close members of his family -- and representatives of the Russian government.

Does that seem credible to anyone? Anyone answering yes would have to be a fawning fan who simply can't face reality.

 

You pretty much have said it all.

I have explained myself several times.

 

First there is zero evidence that Trump is a control freak. He often delegates where he can and should. This is one of the reasons he has had problems. He is the exact opposite of a control freak and doesn't generally meddle in the day to day operations without very good reasons. That's why you appoint staff in the first place, there is simply too much government for any one man to effectively oversee.

 

Taking this meeting is not illegal.

Trump will be your president until least January 2021 and there's nothing you can do about it.

 

Nope, I don't have to prove a thing. That is Mueller's job.

I am simply providing a realistic scenario of the Trump Tower meeting.

 

When testifying before the Senate Judiciary Committee in September 2017, Junior said he “did not” tell his father about the email exchange “because I wouldn’t bring him anything that’s unsubstantiated” and “because it had nothing to do with him.”

Goldstone's email said in part, "This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump."

Maybe Junior figured he could do better in a friendly environment. He wanted an exclusive interview with his family’s most ardent Fox News booster, Sean Hannity.

In July 2017 in an interview with Fox News host Sean Hannity, Trump Jr. was asked if he told his father about the meeting. Junior was caught between a rock and a hard place. Hannity's audience is comprised of his dad's adoring admirers. He did not want to lie to them. On the other hand, he could not tell the truth, either, that his father had approved of the meeting. That is the problem when one starts lying. When to stop?

Junior's answer was aided by 20/20 hindsight. His answer was after the fact.

“No,” he replied. “It was such a nothing. There was nothing to tell. I wouldn't have even remembered it until you start scouring through the stuff. It was literally just a wasted 20 minutes, which was a shame.”

In other words, in front of a very friendly interviewer, in front of a very friendly audience, he evaded the question. His answer had nothing to do with the concept that Trump approved of the meeting before it took place and before the results were known.

Junior was protecting his father, which further indicates the truth. Trump approved the meeting in Trump Tower with four representatives of the Russian government.

 

Here's another "realistic scenario":
Trump will be your president until least January 2021 and there's nothing you can do about it.

 

And you don't care if Trump lies his way to 2021. Why is that?

 

Simple.
It pisses you, and (especially) the hyper-partisan left, off.

Trump will be your president until least January 2021 and there's nothing you can do about it.

 

Because honesty is not a quality I expect in someone who WANTS to be president. All of them lie. Some have changed the world with thier lies. Trump has not affected anything. I'm sorry he broke your trust in the office. But you had no reason to have trust in the first place.