The Horrific Experiments Carried Out by the US Government

"All men are created equal". Sounds great. Until you do even a cursory examination of America's history. Then we look like enormous hypocrites.

 

Yes. Following those principles is the exception to the rule. I think the only reason for having all of those principles written down is to be able to quote them for the critiques. I just don't see any validity in quoting them. You can be told by people every day, "That's not the way we do things in the U.S." but you can look over your shoulder and see it being done all around you.

 

What you are saying is nothing to do with what I was talking about. Watch the video as I said from 9 minutes. The actions the US did after WW2 towards the people of the Marshal Islands are on a level with Mengele's treatment of Concentration camp prisoners. Since WW2 Germany was held to task because of inhuman actions of the Nazis while the US was engaging in similar in the Marshal Islands.

which is exactly what I did and you ignored.

 

Ever tried using the search facility to enhance your knowledge?

 

For those who believe that selective (voluntary) ignorance is an advantage, their answer to your question is "no".

 

Power corrupts.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

 

And so very few exceptions. That's why democracy (not guns) is the only cure.

 

Oh, interesting news

Indeed and until, I was going to say 9/11 but it really was probably the Kosovo war, we in the UK correctly saw the US as warmongers. After 9/11 like many people in the US people here were questioning the motivation. Gradually information changed - possibly with the war against the BBC and changing of its ethics - from liberal, in a European sense, to pro Israel covering everything that entails.

Yes of course though here the UK was fighting as well. We were more fortunate because our papers were giving us a lot more truth than the people in the US were given - that was soon sorted out. However here the people of the UK were strongly against that war from before it began...and I think it did to a very large extent destroy trust in the US. It was a very strange time because on one level you had countries which had historically been extremely critical and withdrawn from the US all piling up as its allies as if Europe and the UK had been side by side all the time. The UK had on the level of the deep state of that there is no question but for most of the time that was it.

With the Iraq war civilians in the UK generally knew before it happened that there was something very strange going on and we should not be going to war. How Cameron managed to get people to accept the Libyan one simply by using the old propaganda of it being about the people, I do not know but certainly once we discovered that the terrorists who were working in Syria were actually the ones the US and UK were supporting the story started to take another route. I don't think the US has any credibility left except among those who get involved in the new far right. Trump seems to have been the final death toll on this - and I think that is much more because he is more honest than the rest about certain things - that despite him lying a thousand times a day!

very true - too true. Though having said that those who get interested and start looking can still, for the time being, find the truth.

It does indeed and with it another thing. Trump knows that Corporate media is propaganda. His base knows it is. He uses that to ignore reality. The left also know Corporate media is propaganda and they are in the UK far more vilified by it than the far right. You get a problem here. Trump encourages hatred of the media, even violence against it and yet a free media is one of the Cornerstones of democracy which we get more generally now in alternative news. There is already a fight going on against the left in this. Blocking from this and that. Does Assange and the US media's war against him herald the end of free press in the US and possibly UK?

 

You mean the US is drugged out of it's mind and believes that it can never fail?
Good analogy

 

1. President Trump is very concerned about the opioid crisis and has said so. Congress is not. They don't want to give Trump a win here.
2. The middle class has been getting hammered for 20 years ever since Clinton brought China into the WTO. Millions of jobs have gone overseas. Obama crossed off the manufacturing sector. Trump has brought back 600,000 of those job in two years.
3. The MId-East had been a powder keg for over 100 years.
4. Don't believe everything the media tells you. I hired my then 16 year-old nephew one Summer. I asked him if it was tough being a teenager. He said he loved being a teenage. He could live at home for free, get free meals and gas for his car. All he had to do was go to school. That sounded like a good deal to me.
5. The US faced monopolies 100 years as big, or bigger, than today's monopolies and they cut the down to size to everybody's benefit.
6. Over 50% of the federal budget goes to legacy costs--social security, medicare, obama care and social welfare costs. Who's ox do you suggest we gore?

 

Well, it's always nice when you dodge a bullet when it comes to secret experiments.

 

If he was "very concerned" he would talk/tweet about it. When's the last time you heard him say ANYTHING about it?

I was rooting for Trump to take on China. Like everything else, he screwed it up. The jobs being created now are the same shitty service-sector jobs that were being created under Obama.

Yes, so why tear up an agreement that was working without a viable replacement strategy? Is what we're doing now working? No. Iran got away with shooting down a drone and attacking an "ally" of ours. That didn't happen under Obama.

Anecdotes aren't evidence, and anyway, you should watch Tucker Carlson, who's the only one really talking about what's going on with young men. There is a crisis there.

So what is the Trump Administration doing to reign these tech companies in? They had unified control of government for two years. I don't see any progress.

Why are you asking me? I didn't promise to eliminate the debt and deficit. You guys voted for him. Were trillion-dollar deficits part of the package?

What I would do is increase taxes on the richest people and freeze military spending. It wouldn't solve the problem, but it would help. I certainly WOULDN'T give a tax break to the richest Americans/companies. Why did you guys ever support that???

 

1. PRESIDENT TRUMP talks about it along with the good economic news. The media ignores anything positive he tries to accomplish

PRESIDENT TRUMP has driven unemployment down to the lowest point in 50 years including unemployment for Blacks, Hispanics, Asians and Women. Some 15 states have the lowest unemployment numbers in their histories.

PRESIDENT TRUMP has also brought back some 600,000 manufacturing jobs--something President Obama same were gone for good.
Wages have also risen steadily in the last two years.

Again, your post that Trump has "screwed up" demonstrates that you only lay at the feet of Trump Frothers.

China?

There was no question of a trade war with China. It was only a question of WHEN. They ship $550 billion in goods to the US and we only ship $120 billion. Much of what they ship are non-durable goods like cell phones and laptops which can be produced here. They also send $50 billion in cheap clothes which are poor quality. We also know they cheat at every turn by stealing intellectual property.

No one should be surprised. Previous presidents opened the door and the Chinese rushed in.

Trump is the first president to take on this. He picked his fighting ground very well. Our economy is the strongest in 50 years while the Chinese are hurting.

 

All true but I think Britain was already in league with the American mafia-government at the time of the invasion of Grenada ... has the world forgotten? We clearly see the situation with regards Julian Assange which brings even Sweden into the picture. So here we are with the American media, the BBC (once the bastion of unbiased and free press) plus Swedish MSM all worth less than the business end of a spent square of bog roll.

 

There is nothing "nice" about your life depending upon the toss of a coin particularly when it is someone else's coin being tossed by yet a third person's hand.

 

I can barely wait for the response.

 

A strategy that was working?

You're not referring to the Iran Deal, are you?

The Europeans tried to negotiate a stop to Iran's development of nuclear weapons when George Bush, Jr. was in office. I used to read about it. They got nowhere.

Bush did not want the US to step in because he did not want to negotiate with a regime he could not trust.

Obama wanted a legacy in the worst way before leaving office and he got one. The deal he and John Kerry made was no better than the Europeans. This is nothing new.

Diplomats fancy themselves makers of peace who want to leave a legacy behind--like Neville Chamberlain.

In truth, they are striped-pants, frock-coated idiots They make one-sided "deals' with tyrants, slap each themselves on the back and tell their people they have made peace. They are blind to what they have done.

All they accomplish is to give tyrants a breathing space to pursue their agendas.

Under this deal, the Iranians got a $150 billion bribe to behave. Instead, they sent their Revolutionary Guards to Syria and Yemen in order to dominate everything between the Indian Ocean and the Mediterranean.

They were able to ramp up their nuclear programs within weeks of PRESIDENT TRUMP voiding this farce..

Squeezing the Iranian economy dry like a melon is the best way to deal with them.

 

I find that the less people know about something the more they want to argue about it.

Trump frothers follow the rule.

Tax the Rich?

You can squeeze a grape only so much. Increasing taxes on people who can get on a jet and move to Monaco is not the answer. The corporations you refer to were parking their billions offshore for years to avoid the 35% capital gains tax that was the highest in the world. Trump lowered it to 15 percent (like the Europeans) to be competitive.

Trillion dollar deficits started under Bush, Jr.. Obama added more to the deficit that all president before him.

Could Trump slow it down? Maybe, but not alone. No one man controls the US economy. If they did, we as a country would take that power away from them.

The most a president can do is to install confidence in the economy to encourage it to grow. That Trump has done in spades. The economy has grown by an estimated $7-$9 trillion since he took office. Hopefully, that will increase tax revenues.

Trump is doing his part, Congress has to do its part too. It has the power of the purse and must control spending, but how?

I mentioned Legacy Costs in my first post, but that sailed over your head. They cannot be ignored

Congress labeled about 50-60% of federal spending as untouchable. this includes social security, medicare, Obama Care, welfare... meaning that any budget cuts have to come from the remaining discretionary part of the budget. You would have to eliminate almost all discretionary spending that Congress approves to balance the budget. Your suggestions would only be a drop in the bucket.

Trump supporter, or not, those are the numbers. They will apply to all future presidents and members of Congress.

 

I Never said the US couldn't fail at some things. Vietnam was a sad chapter in the COLD WAR.

Geography had a lot to do with Vietnam. Eisenhower was a military man. He sent a military advisor to assess the situation in the 1950's. I believe it was Maxwell Taylor.

Taylor advised against going into Vietnam. He said Vietnam was a back water and not that strategic. The terrain would have required ten men in support to keep every man in the field. With China next door, there was no chance of invading North Vietnam and ending a war. He was right.

Eisenhower did not send troops to Vietnam. Politicians like Kennedy and LBJ took over the situation when they became president.

Kennedy's strategy is of course debatable. LBJ thought he could land hundreds of thousands of troops in Vietnam and MAKE A DEAL with Ho Chi Minh. He was dead wrong. He didn't understand communists.

North Vietnam produced 300,000 draft age males per year. The communists were prepared to sacrifice every one of them every year to win.

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Here is a film documenting the misdeeds carried out at Edgewood Arsenal: