The Horrific Experiments Carried Out by the US Government

As a soldier in the United States Army during the 1960's I ended up on the list of tests subjects of MK ULTRA that was carried out at Edgewood Arsenal in Aberdeen Proving Grounds in Maryland. I didn't know what it consisted of but was told they would be harmless experiments such as the difference of effects of penicillin on smokers vs. non-smokers. As it turned out I was sent to Vietnam instead. I had forgotten all about it until the early 1980's when I saw a documentary film on TV. I was shocked. But MK ULTRA wasn't the only peril the US Government perpetrated.

 

Supposed "mind control", I am sorry you went through all that and you have my respect for doing so.

It appears now that a lot of the "MK Ultra" program was merged in with the CIA propaganda narratives.

The funniest part about it all, when you use some of the "MK Ultra" ideas of human control and put them with the Neo-Marxist Jacques Derrida idea of "Deconstruction" and you can see exactly how the MSM has come to be what it is. It is all about controlling the mind through experience and fear. Hence the "mind control" saying.

While I don't think people like the Clinton's, Bush's or Soros' of the world are necessarily "Communists", I think they realized it was the only ideology they could use to make sure large populations were able to cross borders and have similar goals, all under their control of course.

They are just power hungry, that is why Obama won so easily. They had the Communist AND the Americans they were able to fool with their virtue signaling. And again, virtue signaling is a product of Deconstruction and MK Ultra. Ways in which to control humans with fear (fear of being mean/hateful/bigoted has been especially useful on The West) and other propagandist means.

Thankfully the main MK Ultra pitch from the CIA has been the MSM. CNN, New York Times and the rest, but people have woken up and now their ratings are all tanking.

Welcome to The Storm, and thank you for your sacrifice on letting us know the horrors of authoritarian control.

 

You know, Hitler and Stalin, and Pol Pot are all dead and the death camps & killing fields have all been dismantled. It is history ... a horrendous part of history but it is history. The horrific deeds carried out by the US government (on the other hand) live on and I do not see enough being done to stop it.

 

It looks like you are talking about yourself there but I am assuming you are not - that it is what someone in the films said - which I have not watched yet.

This film done in I think 2016 by Pilger expecting the US to go to war with China, speaks also about some dreadful things the US did just after WW2. Check them out at 9 mins They could challenge Dr Mengele for the prize of best of that kind.



It really is so true that the victor makes history. The West supposed to be 'better than that' when it so much was not and as you say below so much still is not.

 

I remember reading someone questioning whether WW2 ever ended. This thread is making me wonder too.

 

Since you are not "a soldier in the United States Army during the 1960's" shouldn't you have put quotes around that paragraph?

And what about this makes it "Latest US & World News?"

 

The Nazis (Mengele among them) created the chaos in Europe. The Alllies (including the US) coped with it. The Russians tried to take advantage of it. Ordinary people acted personal revenge on those they thought collaborated. England was so broke, it continued with rationing until 1954. It did not pay off its Lend-Lease debt to the US until 2006.

When the wdust settled, It was the US that introduced the Marshall Plan to rebuild Europe's economies and the Truman Doctrine to take over the defense of Greece and Turkey from Communist aggression.

Please don't paint in these broad strokes. If you have individual cases, lay them out.

You were part of some experiment 55 years ago that you were told was about penicillin and smoking; but you were pulled out of the experiment and sent to Vietnam instead?

So you did not participate in something. You only heard about it.

Sounds like you are whistleblowing about something you only have SECOND HAND KNOWLEDGE about.

this reminds me of the UKRAINE HOAX,

We should ask President Trump to have someone "look at it".

What do you think?

 

He couldn’t pass on the opportunity to bash the USA.
News don’t matter. What matters is that the USA is BAAAAAAD!

 

The United States is the rock star of the world. Some people love rock stars. Others hate rock stars.

And still others are jealous of rock stars.

 

Bringing truth home.

Max Blumenthal has recently come back from a trip to Syria to check things out.The war we are told is the war on terror....but the terrorists are the ones supported by the West. We are told we are the ones fighting these dreadful Muslims who are involved in terrorism when the reality is we were the ones supporting the terrorists who were destroying the traditions of the pluralistic Arab Levant where Sunni, Shia and Christian lived side by side in peace.

Max Blumenthal

He also speaks of speaking to a businessman who talks about how good he felt about the initial protests. They were reformists protests and the Government was extremely open to change - these came with three no's. No to violence, No to sectarianism, No to outside interference. I read ages ago someone involved in these saying it was the outside interference which destroyed this putting loads of money in the bank accounts of military who had deserted demanding violence from them. The businessman said once the protests became militarised, once the sectarianism started, he realised it was not about reform, it was not about extending political space in the country it was about destroying an entire State.

This is what we, as outside interference supported. He ends by speaking about our economic sanctions which are hurting everyone in Syria except the Assad family. Sanctions keep ordinary Syrians cold in winter and prevent Refugees from being able to return home.

Blumenthal said he went there to show people what is on the other side of Corporate Media and the US National Security State's information war. Here is the video.

 

Was this what prompted you to move to Sweden?

Hey, but glad you made it home alive from Viet Nam. Many of us do appreciate your service to the United States. I will apologize to you because I know that many of the "progressives" back then looked down upon you as a United States soldier of that era.

 

Who is Max Bluementhal?

 

This country has principles, but they are conveniently sacrificed ALL THE TIME.

 

The country's principles are CHALLENGED all the time. Slackers and bend-forward artists don't help.

 

Two things need to be remembered on this subject:
-these programs are done in secret because We The People do not condone them
-these programs continue to be done in secret because We The People are not paying adequate attention.

 

I see you are a devotee of Noam Chomsky.

He's an ass.

Like the antifa getup in your photo. Beat up anyone lately?

 

Well, someone thought a trainwreck Presidency was a good idea, so here we are. We're currently not paying attention to:
1. The ongoing drug/alcohol/suicide crisis
2. The continued hollowing out of the middle class
3. A powderkeg in the Middle East one match away from exploding
4. An entire generation of kids who feel alienated, lonely, and depressed
5. The steady accumulation of power by megacorp Amazon and the tech companies.
6. Saddling our kids with massive debt during a time of (so-called) economic prosperity.

But people being people, we have to look at the trainwreck. This is what Trump voters wanted, I guess.

 

You have made a lot of incorrect assumptions about me

 

How would you demonstrate these problems are Trump voter's fault and how would you thus recommend that he/they fix them?

 

I didn't say they were the Trump voter's fault. This trainwrekc of a Presidency is their fault. It's diverting attention away from important issues. Wouldn't you agree?

For (1), I would adopt the Portugese model
(2) I would take money from the super elites and expand the Earned Income Tax Credit, so that if you're working a full-time job and making $25,000 a year (impossible to raise a family on) the EITC bumps it up to $50,000. Straight up redistribution, but are you happy with the situation we currently have, where the billionaires have all the power and 40% of the country can't handle a $400 bill?

(3) Go back to the Obama agreement. Iran wasn't attacking Saudi Arabia when Obama was President.

(4) ???

(5) Break up Amazon and the tech companies.
(6) Don't run up massive deficits. Didn't Republicans used to protest against deficits? I guess they were just full of ****.

 

I’m just going to unwatch this garbage thread.

 

I am not talking about someone else. I was in the American Army 1965 - 1968 and what I wrote about myself is true.

I'll take a look at it.

You don't even need to be the victor. The U.S. lost in Vietnam and lost all credibility of truth in Irak. So all you need is a strong threat, an ability to corrupt, and an excellent propaganda machine such as Josef Göbbels .... and refined in the U.S.

The war of propaganda rages on.

 

Reading comprehension not your thing?
* I was not "part" of the experiment. I was earmarked for it but I was sent to Vietnam instead.
* I was not "told" the experiments were about smoking. Those experiments were secret. When I asked I was told that it would probably not be dangerous but something as innocuous as "smoking".

What happened at Edgewood Arsenal is documented fact.

I guess you do not understand what "whistleblowing" means. If I use the term only then you can debate it.

 

You could say that. I am Swedish but I was living in the U.S. during that time. I went to high school there and then into the American Army. I left the U.S. in the early 1970's and yes, you are right that was a big part in my decision to leave.

Thank you very much.